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So...What Do You Do For A Living?

by Kevin Mizner on 8/10/2012 7:00:50 AM

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It should be to the surprise of no one that I love art.  I enjoy talking about art and artists.  I will chat with anyone about painting, the art scene-- even the onerous stuff like art marketing.  What I don't like to talk about is my art.  As a reader of this blog, you might notice that on occasion, along with my usual blather, I will post a painting of mine.  I might talk about how I did it, or what inspired me to do it, but I don't often tell you what I think of it.  The reason is simple: I feel a painting has to speak for itself.  It is what it is.  As soon as you view my painting, you will form an opinion of it that no words of mine will change.  You would either agree, or not.

 

When I'm out in public, I don't talk much about my painting or my vocation, only to answer the question, "What do you do for a living?" with the reply, "I'm an oil painter."  That is usually followed by murmurs of appreciation. "Oh, my--an artist!  And you paint all day.  How nice!" Quite often, the follow up question is, "Does your wife work?"  I'm an honest guy.  I tell the truth.  So I say, "Yes she does."  That does it right there.

 

"Oh... well then... You don't really make a living at art then..."

 

In the minds of the questioner, I have gone from Professional Artist to Un-Employed Wannabee.

 

Wanna know a little secret?  I punched a clock for many years before I painted full time.  My wife worked too back then.  We needed two incomes to help pay the mortgage and feed the kids.  Did that mean that I didn't make a living at my job?  That I wasn't really working? 

 

These days, I leave my house every morning to go to my studio and work on my art. When I have a painting done, it goes to one of the galleries that represent me.  Then I hope for the best, and work on more paintings.  So does that make me an "amateur" if weeks go by without a sale, and a "pro" only when one sells?

 

Like I said, I'm an honest guy; I have had times as a painter when paintings flew off the walls, and money was coming in at a steady pace.  I will also freely admit that there have been occasions when times where tight enough for me to go pick up a job.  Back in the day, I would often work two jobs when I needed to.  But if I do that now, is it now my vocation, or am I moonlighting?  Does it push me back to wannabee status?

 

We all know that there are only a damn few artists (and I will wager that like me, you're not one either) who know that they will quickly sell whatever they produce.  The rest of us?  We soldier on.  Look, painting is hard enough without worrying about someone else's opinion of your status as an artist.  It shouldn't make a damn bit of difference whether you are rich or starving.  The only thing I personally care about is making the best painting I can produce.  It isn't what I do for a living--

 

It's what I do for life.

 

 

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Teresa Tromp
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Why are we always DEFENDING our careers as artists.

I sold my home so I could live in an apartment and PAINT.
When people see that I'm at home, they say "Do you work?"
I say, "Yes, I'm an artist. I paint."

Then, I walk away, because I KNOW they are going to push my buttons.

Kevin, THEY want to do what you are doing, BUT they haven't got the guts (bravery, determination, nerve, backbone, feistiness)
to follow their dreams.

Your work is BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!
Give them one of your business cards, and tell them to look at your beautiful work on your website instead.

Best Regards,
Teresa

Barbara Davis
via faso.com
Kevin - After years of working toward my goal of becoming a full-time artist while holding down another job, my dream was realized; however, I cannot tell you how many people ask me now how I'm enjoying retirement!
I know they mean well, but I can't help but wonder if most people think if you enjoy it, it can't be work! If you don't have to put on a suit and fight traffic, it must not be work.
I have a little plaque that says, "Don't complicate your life by trying to figure out what everyone else is thinking" and it's always a great reminder.
Thank you for your post and paint on!!!!

RosemarieAdcock
via faso.com
So true! A couple of weeks ago someone at a music store where my husband teaches asked him if his wife works. His response, "She's an artist."
"Oh. So you mean she doesn't do anything."
"No, she's an artist. Actually she works very hard." Then, out comes the laptop and straight to the aforementioned artist's website. Then the gasp. "She IS an artist!" And then the apology and the young man was buried in images for the next half hour.

When we say the word artist, a hundred preconceived ideas come up in the mind of the person with whom we are speaking. I recall once in the airport in Moscow sitting next to a very well-dressed German man with whom I began a conversation, and naturally the topic soon went to our respective professions. When I told the man I was a painter he was a bit stunned, but not in the oh-you-need-real-job sort of way. There was an instant air of respect from him, something so unusual, it took me quite by surprise. He explained that he was currently the president of a private bank, but formerly collected art for Deutsche Bank. The man graciously left his first class plane seat to sit next to me in squishy coach and we discussed my work. It's all in the perception, and often in the education and experience. Many people don't understand, so sometimes we just need to educate.

Jim Springett
via faso.com
Hi Kevin,

So glad to hear your story, and the wonder of being an artist. Sticking close to your heart's desire is good and I'm sure many people love your painting.
We retired early sold everything and moved into the wilderness of NW WI,yes wilderness, and I paint wildlife. I have started my painting using watercolor, then oils and now acrylics. Each medium has been very good to me and so I have learned many techniques in painting by using all 3 mediums.
I wish you a happy painting day and a prosperous career in all you do.

Jim Springett-wildlife painter

Jane
via faso.com
I've always loved art too, always wanted to pursue it. However I thought it best that I take a different track, one with a guaranteed income. I always went to art shows, purchasing art and took the occasional class. I worked for a large corporation, and as soon as I retired I went into painting. I go at it very intensly, however, my friends and family act like it's some sort of "hobby" usually it's rather subtle, but you can feel it. So, I'm with you on all of your points, Kevin!.

Marian Fortunati
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Wow.. I so love your post!!... You made me laugh when you compared the way you are viewed working as an artist with a wife who also works vs working in an office with a wife who works.
The general public thinks that few artists can make a living.. I guess it's the starving artist syndrome...

Anyway, congrats on your attitude... It's a winning one. And when you're a winner... those collectors of yours win too!

Beth Inglish
via faso.com
Great post!

I always feel like a double agent sometimes because I am an artist, but I have to work part time just for peace of mind.

It shouldn't be a secret, but I feel like collectors need to see me as a full time professional artist in order to be relevant. It's a lot of pressure on top of everything else.

Thanks for bringing this topic to light, I feel a lot less alone.

Best of luck!
Beth

Michael Cardosa
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Kevin,

Great post! and great attitude...

Michael

Lee McVey
via faso.com
I certainly can relate to your article Kevin. I feel the same frustration, which I am sure we all have felt. The countless times people have argued and insisted I have a hobby when art is really my heart and soul, my life. Those that say I'm an amateur because I do have a pension from teaching so I don't have to rely on painting to buy groceries. That pension was well earned, paying my dues with 32 years of teaching around 500-750 little individuals each week and trying to paint on weekends and giving up holidays with family to paint instead. It was a hard choice to give up family time, but one I felt I had to make in order to paint.

There is such a misconception out there about artists. Maybe it will never change. Maybe we can educate the public with our art shows, our blogs and with all we do.

Kathy Chin
via faso.com
There are a number of you on this site who prove through your business practices that you are indeed Professionals. It is very unfortunate that the public perception is what it is...I'm a photographer and usually say I'm an artist. But maybe a photographer has a little more credibility because there are many types of photographers and some of those types (like wedding and portrait photogs) are more often viewed as "professional." Everyone knows someone who has had a portrait taken or needed a good wedding photographer. Uncle John may take decent shots with his point-and-shoot, but brides are starting to find out that the grainy, out-of-focus shots that Uncle John took don't adequately portray their once-in-a-lifetime weddings.
But Fine Art photographers are often considered frustrated wannabes who aren't quite good enough to take high-fashion, commercial, or wedding photos. ("Oh, do you have another job too?")

Guess we have to keep on "keeping on" and just try to educate (constantly) those who look at us with tolerance, pity, politeness, and figure someone else has to support our "quirkiness."

Brady Allen
via faso.com
Rembrandt went bankrupt, does that make him less of a professional artist?



David Ralston
via faso.com
People judge ya no matter what we do if ya flip burgers for 40 hours or build houses which I have done both and much more. There will always be a snicker or a issue unless ya are whatever they are cause thats what they are must be important. After all these years Bethovan, Einstein and many every great idealist was thought to be off the beaten path so I don't see it changing. People here think ya not a Artist if ya not have a gallery worth millions and sold for the same. And many here judge me with snotty remarks or ignoring what I say, but ya know what thats their issue not mine and not gonna change what I love to do or continue to do cause I got a fingure for ya. What I do is just that enjoy it or move on. Peace and happy painting.

Jim Springett
via faso.com
David you have some wisdom to share thanks, and while my art is on a small scale compared to many faso artists, I have enjoyed selling many of my originals for below $10 because I know my customer can afford and enjoys my work. Peace to you too David, and many happy moments painting, that which you do so well. Have a good day. I like your patches painting and what a good message to take to heart.

Jim Springett-wildlife painter

Demetrios Papakostas
via faso.com
I am a successful businessman and at this very moment, can think of nothing else but being at my studio painting and even better, creating. I like my business but I love my art.

Freda Gudopp
via faso.com
Hello Kevin, I like your story.
I put all my paintings into Flickr and from there I get a lot of comments, which are very encouraging, as well I have made some very good friends.
The comments I get can be very helpful, if someone likes my painting, that's a bonus and leaves me feeling wonderful and it is so encouraging, if someone critizes my painting and say's I should have done this or that, this is also good in my view, because we are alway's learning, and these critics are good because we can try different thing's with our painting's, which maybe beneficial to our paintings, and this has got to be good, doesn't it?

Sandy Askey-Adams, PSA
via faso.com
Hello Kevin..

Wonderful post. Can relate in many ways.

I think it is even more so for women artists. Maybe not, but I know one time a client who purchased several paintings from me asked if my husband allows me to take care of the sales part!!!! Huh?! Allows me?? As if I could not handle that part of being an artist.
Sure I would rather paint than do the business part or even frame paintings.
But, when I am at those outdoor shows, I am meeting and talking with the people and then I take care of the sale,,,and, of course, my husband does at times too.
Why would anyone ask such a seemingly prejudice or dumb question as if a woman could not do that.

Your paintings are wonderful!!

Karen Burnette Garner
via faso.com
Thanks, Kevin, for writing so eloquently about a sensitive issue. Yes, you DO it for LIFE!

jack white
via faso.com
Kevin,

Good honest article. Trust me there are many more not earning a living than those who do with their art. The last three years have been really hard on artists.

I'm one of the fortunate artist that earned a very good income from my work. I taught my wife to paint and today she sells more than she can produce. In truth we have done a lot to market her art and build a solid 22 year career for her.

Few artist start out with someone of my background to show them the way.

In this tight economy many good artists that were doing very well are back to teaching to make ends meet. Again there is nothing wrong with that. The main thing is you have not given up. All too many have tossed in the towel.

In my 42 years as an artist, I've never seen the economy this weak.

Hang tough, Jack

David Ralston
via faso.com
Thanks Jim appreciate it and yes it is.

kevin
via faso.com
Thank you-every one- for taking the time to say a few words about my post. I had a hunch I wasn't the only one who felt more than a little put out when others implied that painting wasn't really work, and if you couldn't make enough so that even the grandkids wouldn't need a job, it's not making a living...

I hope each and every one of your keep up the devotion to your art.

Sincerely,

Kevin Mizner

Donald Fox
via faso.com
Your last line is my favorite part of the post - "It's what I do for life." There are levels of meaning here worth contemplating. Thanks for sharing.

David Ralston
via faso.com
Thank you Kevin and same to you and blessings to all. We not dead yet so the story is just begining and the wheels keep turning.

Donna Robillard
via faso.com
I am like you - making the best painting I can produce. Probably for most everybody that reads this post, that is their goal, also.

Bob Obrian
via faso.com
Great post and some great comments too....I think that because the actual life and activity of the painter is so foreign to the average person , They immediately think in terms of their own ignorance. Perhaps in the same way if we met an opera singer. We might say something like "do you have another job to support you on the side." ?? Perhaps. We artist should exploit their ignorance and joke more in these situations. So when they say So does your wife work too? You respond with " Yes as a stay at home sex slave. She only asks for room and Board. So it's really affordable. What does your wife do?". Be creative !!

Cornelius
via faso.com
Kevin, WOW! That is the most poignant view I have ever read on what being an artist is really about. It almost put me to tears. Thank you for writing such an honest piece.

Esther J. Williams
via faso.com
Kevin, since I paint outdoors in sometimes crowded public places, I get asked the dumbest questions. Some people are just lost and looking for answers to their own lives. Artists seem to be fair game to strike up a conversation with about life. We get measured up to other jobs, like the 9-5 office job. I get the feeling or attitude that many of the people I meet are jealous of what I do. I have learned along the way not to be intimidated. I am there to paint, if they want to get personal, I say excuse me, I need to finish this before the light changes. I give them a business card and say thank-you, have a nice day. I size up the person and if they are not a buyer or someone who really appreciates art, one a innocent child wanting to learn, I gear down my conversation with them. If they ask that dumb question, "Are you an artist?" I was asked that yesterday with my easel set up, paintings all around me by the way. I answered, "Yes, I am a professional." Sometimes I say, "This is my office." Meanwhile I am standing on the edge of a coastline.

Brian Sherwin
via faso.com
Kevin -- You said, "Wanna know a little secret? I punched a clock for many years before I painted full time. My wife worked too back then. We needed two incomes to help pay the mortgage and feed the kids. Did that mean that I didn't make a living at my job? That I wasn't really working?"

Powerful statement. I've known doctors and lawyers who are barely 'making it' because of debt. Does that mean they are not professionals? Does that mean they don't put in 100 percent? Blah.

David Randall
via faso.com
I took a path that allowed me to pay the bills yet was ansellary to my true passion. I have been painting and custom picture framing for over forty years. Framing has paid the bills while I painted on the side. This economy has slowed my business framing so I paint in my shop when there is no framing work. For the first time I shamelessly self promote and prominently display a wall of my paintings and Giclee prints. Interestingly I'm selling more and mor regularly and building my art business in the bad economy. I' m going broke but on the cover of a local magazine at the same time. It's a strange life and very stressed but happy to be painting and selling too.

David Randall
via faso.com
I took a path that allowed me to pay the bills yet was ansellary to my true passion. I have been painting and custom picture framing for over forty years. Framing has paid the bills while I painted on the side. This economy has slowed my business framing so I paint in my shop when there is no framing work. For the first time I shamelessly self promote and prominently display a wall of my paintings and Giclee prints. Interestingly I'm selling more and mor regularly and building my art business in the bad economy. I' m going broke but on the cover of a local magazine at the same time. It's a strange life and very stressed but happy to be painting and selling too.

David Randall
via faso.com
I took a path that allowed me to pay the bills yet was ansellary to my true passion. I have been painting and custom picture framing for over forty years. Framing has paid the bills while I painted on the side. This economy has slowed my business framing so I paint in my shop when there is no framing work. For the first time I shamelessly self promote and prominently display a wall of my paintings and Giclee prints. Interestingly I'm selling more and mor regularly and building my art business in the bad economy. I' m going broke but on the cover of a local magazine at the same time. It's a strange life and very stressed but happy to be painting and selling too.

Susan Holland
via faso.com
What people say often gives us insight as to their own value system. If someone gauges an artist's success at making a living by seeing their penthouse suite, then it's not the art they are admiring, or the workmanship, but the business-acumen.

We might spend more time earnestly making art and less time contemplating how we compare to other people. Sure we are striving to be best. But best at what? Our art, or lifesmanship?

I've been so insulted that my art making has occasionally been called a "hobby." But that didn't stop my joy of painting/carving. Let them call it whatever they want... the proof is in the pudding.

Susan Holland
via faso.com
What people say often gives us insight as to their own value system. If someone gauges an artist's success at making a living by seeing their penthouse suite, then it's not the art they are admiring, or the workmanship, but the business-acumen.

We might spend more time earnestly making art and less time contemplating how we compare to other people. Sure we are striving to be best. But best at what? Our art, or lifesmanship?

I've been so insulted that my art making has occasionally been called a "hobby." But that didn't stop my joy of painting/carving. Let them call it whatever they want... the proof is in the pudding.

Susan Holland
via faso.com
What people say often gives us insight as to their own value system. If someone gauges an artist's success at making a living by seeing their penthouse suite, then it's not the art they are admiring, or the workmanship, but the business-acumen.

We might spend more time earnestly making art and less time contemplating how we compare to other people. Sure we are striving to be best. But best at what? Our art, or lifesmanship?

I've been so insulted that my art making has occasionally been called a "hobby." But that didn't stop my joy of painting/carving. Let them call it whatever they want... the proof is in the pudding.

Freda Gudopp
via faso.com
Yes I can relate to your story, I had someone say to me that they were jealous of me because I am an artist,Well I felt somewhat annoyed because if that someone wanted to, they could try their hand at painting the same as I do. I love painting it a wonderful hobby. And that question "are you an artist" yes it is a stupid question, especially when they can see that you are busy painting.

Steve Casper
via faso.com
Kevin,
I like your outlook. Great article. I studied painting and illustration back some 20 years ago and made a good run of it my first 8 years out of school. Got a lot of illustration work but never made a lot of money. When I got married I took a "real" job as a designer and over the last 15 years have done that moving my way up the corporate ladder with various agencies. All the while I had all but forsaken my traditional painting in favor of digital painting and design software. This all culminated in me landing a gig as a creative director with a large ad agency where I was making 6 figures but working 18 hour days almost 7 days a week. It wasn't long before I realized I was completely stressed out and unhappy. I had never made this kind of money in my life and yet still felt miserable and longed for the passion of my good old days. After 10 months in this position and a lot of soul searching, I resigned. During this economy with nothing on the horizon, I just up and walked away. I've survived by freelancing but have thrown myself back into my painting and while times are tight these days, my joy has returned. My new work is inspired and I've just secured a show next month in Atlanta. While I don't recommend folks do what I did, I feel as though it was best for me and I haven't looked back. Can you imagine how many folks thought I was completely insane to walk away from $100k in this economy with no prospects? I could care less what people think. My wife supported my decision, and my health, sanity and happiness meant more than a healthy bank account. It is true that money cannot buy happiness. They say at the end of one's life you don't regret the things you did but the things you didn't do. I left it all to pursue my passion and dreams and wouldn't go back for the world. Where there's a will there's a way. Keep painting folks and never surrender!

Freda Gudopp
via faso.com
Good on you Kevin, just keep on painting, I know I couldn't stop painting, I love it and while I'm painting I feel so relaxed and wonderful, like in another world.

Chris Navarro
via faso.com
Do not let your happiness be determined by what is going on in someone else's head you have no control over that. As a full time artist you get to wake up everyday and spend your time doing something you love and that is priceless . I have been fortunate to be a full time artist for over 26 years. Yes it has been a roller coaster ride but hell who wants to ride a merry go round all the time!

Freda Gudopp
via faso.com
Hello Chris, I am a Fine Art Painter and I love every minuite that I have a brush in my hand, it's so peacefull, I wake up every morning wondering what I will be painting today, sometimes my ideas come to me just as I am waking, and other time's an idea will come to me alittle later in the day, what ever I alway's feel inspired as soon as I pick up my brushes.
I also play the keyboard, this is another of my passtime pleasures that I love to do, I am also self taught in this as well, my music playing is also another of these things that I also get rewarded with this same peaceful feeling, I feel that both my painting and my music tie in together well with each other, they are both very healing subjects.










 

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