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Law of Supply and Demand for Artists

by Lori Woodward on 8/9/2012 7:00:40 AM

Today's post is by Lori Woodward, regular contributing writer for FineArtViews.  She has been a member of the Putney Painters since 2004, a small invitational group of painters who are mentored by Richard Schmid and Nancy Guzik.  You should submit an article and share your views as a guest author by clicking here.

 

I spoke at the annual Oil Painters of America show and conference in June '12. I began the talk by asking how many listeners had applied the law of supply and demand to their art marketing plans. Only 3 people raised their hands, and know what? All three were magazine sales and ad directors.

 

The Law of Supply and Demand is a time-tested precept for marketing and sales for just about everything that consumers buy and acquire, and yet, this "law" is ignored by the majority of artists and galleries. I believe that it's an important concept to apply to your art sales and marketing efforts, whether you sell someone else's artwork or your own.

 

Before I get started with further explanation, I'd like to say to those who sell by painting small unframed paintings on a daily or weekly basis - it's OK to do this. The very fact that your supply is ample - for the most part means you will sell for lower prices. One of the precepts of the law of S&D is that the higher the supply, the lower the price. If you're a prolific painter, and you have dozens of pieces for sale at one time, it's difficult to get really big bucks for those artworks. Why? Because there is not incentive to pay a lot when there are many ways and places to get those works.

 

In the next post (probably next week), I'll discuss ways to keep your supply low and increase demand while continuing to paint as much as you like. Hint: this means taking care to introduce your work a couple at a time and then work at selling those. When they sell, introduce more of your work. I don't advise putting all of your available work on your website. Yeah, I know... you're thinking that you might find a buyer if you post them all - and you might, but serious collectors are going to think that you offer nothing special or unique.

 

How Does the Law of Supply and Demand work for artists?

 

Last week, I bought a small watercolor, done by a deceased artist, William Paskell (1866-1951). Framed, it was only $165.00. He is highly collected, but even though he's been dead for quite awhile, his work remains "easy to acquire" because he was such a prolific painter. He had a large family and even painted under a few other names so that he could produce and sell more work. His bio states that having so much work on the market all the time kept his prices low for the remainder of his life. He was a great artist! His contemporary artist friends were less prolific and painted large pieces for annual salons - while selling their smaller studies to the industrialists and wealthy clients who bought the large paintings.

 

Again, I'm not saying that painting and selling a plethora of works is a bad thing. What I am suggesting is that top collectors will not take interest in your work (no matter how good it is) if there is too much available "all the time".

 

For the point of this post, I'm going to assume that your work is truly amazing and professional. Having said that, let's say you've developed an individual style that collectors can recognize from across the room. You've got a body of work to begin to sell in the current year... ready to go! Let's say you've got about 20 works, various sizes and you've got your pricing worked out (usually by the size of the painting).

 

If you've got 50 unsold paintings, I'd avoid putting them all on your website at one time. Post only your best, since viewers will judge the entire body of your work by your least successful piece. Try not to feel desperate by posting everything while thinking... but someone might love and buy it. Stop gambling, know which of your works are truly remarkable, and put those out there first. Even the most famous and highly collected artists don't show everything they do. Some burn their less than favorable works so no one buys them for big bucks after they die.

 

The artists whom I've interviewed who are doing very well in a good and bad economy have two lines of work: They have high-end, larger paintings that are their best - to sell to the serious/wealthy collector, and they also have a second "line" of works that are quicker to paint, easy to sell and lower priced. While these artists do sell their larger works, they are more likely to make a living with their smaller works during hard times.

 

So you're wondering... doesn't this fact dilute your whole point Lori? Yeah, kinda - but let me reiterate that having many many paintings available for sale at once drives price down. That's not necessarily a bad thing because you can make a decent living by the sale of inexpensive artwork.

 

But what if you are a slower painter, and there's no way you can do the "daily painting" route? Then in a way, you're still in good shape because you are not going to saturate your market - your larger paintings can command a higher price, because the supply is low and they are not easy to get. If you're a slow, meticulous painter, your second line is most likely going to sell in the form of reproductions. I'm aware of painters who do sell their (10 or so) large works for $25,000 to $30,000 and they offer a series of limited edition prints (usually giclees) for $250-$500 unframed. Yeah, the prints are still expensive, but many more folks who love that artist's work can acquire the image of it.

 

The key to controlling supply and raising demand is to give people an incentive to buy soon... not wait... ! When art collectors think they have plenty of time and places to buy your work, they will not take action. That's why putting your work out, little by little, with an incentive to act soon is key to building a following for your work.

 

People are not inclined to take action unless they are convinced that they might lose out. So to raise demand of your work, you'll need to think of ways to create some aspect of urgency. There are many levels in which to do this, and many ways to create incentive. Artists who are utilizing the law of supply and demand are reaping income rewards. In a future post, I'll delve into ways artists at various price levels can raise the demand for their works... if I'm a good girl, that'll be next week!

 

Take care to make your work special. While you're increasing your expertise as an artist, work at increasing the demand - especially with a more affluent group of collectors. This will take time - getting rich quick doesn't work in art careers, but it can happen over time with knowledge and strategy.

 

Sincerely,

Loriwords (AKA Lori Woodard)

 

 

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Judy Palermo
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This was so helpful to read, Lori- thank you! It's a novel way of considering one's inventory, one that makes our art products feel unique, and gets rid of that desperate feeling of 'getting it all out there'. Also you make me feel better that I am a slower painter- that's something I have always felt badly about.
You are right about people not taking action until they must; I saw that first-hand at my very first group gallery showing. A couple kept returning to my painting, then read my little bio that had my website listed, then I heard them say 'oh look, we can check out her website and decide later'. I was the only painter that listed my website, maybe the other more experienced ones knew better.
That's also why I haven't rushed to make business cards, wouldn't that also give folks a reason not to decide right then - what is your take on that?

Demetrios Papakostas
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Much to think about Lori. I got some burning to do, lol.
D.

Cathy de Lorimier
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Hi Lori,
You say, "While you're increasing your expertise as an artist, work at increasing the demand - especially with a more affluent group of collectors....it can happen over time with knowledge and strategy."
I would like to know from more experienced artists what types of strategies they use to foster this. I am not represented in any galleries, only sell by word of mouth locally. What incentives could I offer?
Thanks for this post!

Michael Cardosa
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Hi Lori,

Your postings are always interesting. Funny, it was just last weekend that I decided that I have way too many paintings posted.

Looking forward to the next installment.

Thanks again,

Michael

Michael Cardosa
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Hi Lori,

No idea what happened to my earlier comment. But did state that your postings are always interesting. I had just decided to cut down the number of paintings on my site just this past weekend.

Looking forward to the next installment.

Thanks again,

Michael



Michael E. Vermette
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Hi Lori,

Thank you for your article. Creating a demand is important and I see many of my successful peers doing just that. It reminds me of Monet who was so prolific that he would paint right over his finished works in his studio; to the point where collectors had to rescue them!

Trisha Adams
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Seeming to run counter to the law of Supply and Demand is the feeling of abundance. In my pre-painting days, I sold handmade soap at the farmers' market. One Saturday, I was planning to go directly from the Farmers' Market to a Fair so I had packed twice as much soap. At the market I put it ALL out. I didn't have any more fragrances, just more of each. Result? I sold *stunningly* more than usually at the Farmers' Market. I am told in retail this phenomena is captured in a saying, "Stack it high and watch it fly!"

Now to bring the idea around to paintings. When I had a studio in an art complex where there was a reception each month. I found that I needed to have about 20 paintings in order to increase my chances to sell. With 20 it was more likely that I would have a painting in the size, colors, and subject matter that would appeal to one of the visitors that month.

I also knew that I needed to create several new pieces in the intervening month for the next opening. That is because I needed to reward my returning visitors for the effort they made to come to my studio with the vision of new works. If patrons know all the work will be the same as last month, there is no reason to visit this month. (Think of your website as your studio and try to have new work for people to view each time they visit.)

Though one could say the number of paintings available is creating an over-supply which could hurt demand, the supply is actually just ONE of that particular painting so demand can remain high. (I'm talking originals, not reproductions.)

The best way to increase demand for one's work is to increase the quality of one's work. If you have 50 strong works on display, you will sell more than if you have 20. The key is only showing strong works. Showing inferior work is detrimental.

Creating a sense of urgency does motivate people to make a buying decision, but is different than supply and demand. This is often accomplished through an exhibition where the end of the show is the deadline for making a decision to purchase.

Thanks for bringing up a very interesting discussion!

Sandy Askey-Adams, PSA
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Hello Lori:

Great post. . . An enlightening and interesting post again.
I have to think about everything you wrote or are suggesting.
Sometimes it is hard for an artist to judge what is their best work...there are so many opinions out there also from those who say, I like that or I like this one. Or, this one moves me so much.
When I am participating in an outdoor art show, I have a large display set up. The last show I was in there were two pieces among the work I sold that I almost left at home. Ended up taking them along and they sold.
Had I left them at home, I would not have sold them.
Would the clients have bought something else??? Hmmm, I do not think so because each client told me they absolutely loved what they were buying.
It turned out to be a very good selling show.
Yes, I had a lot of work. People usually tell me I am prolific. Is that good or bad?
But, if the truth be known, I had not been painting much at all for the past year due to an illness, but still have a large inventory. I did not do any outdoor art shows last season either because I could not.
What helped me to have a larger inventory, was that I had a Solo art show before the walls of my life seemed to come tumbling in on me. (I usually have a lot of work anyway.) Plus, I usually worked on my art everyday in some way, either by painting or studying, reading or drawing.
I am still trying to get myself together and still having a hard time painting and getting back.
That show I did was the first one in two art show seasons of outdoor art shows. WHen it was over, I was thankful and gave myself a cheer. Luckily, inbetween time, I had clients call me and purpchase works. But still not enough.
Even so, it has been hard trying to do what I have done all my life for a living. I am trying and am also thankful for the supply I have. Now I am wishing I had more demand. One has to stay out there so people know you are still there (in the game.)
When something happens health-wise unexpectedly, it hurts the flow of life in all ways. We do continue to learn about life though.
Guess I have said too much.

Thank you again Lori. Wishing you and all the artists the best. Stay healthy everyone.




Sandy Askey-Adams, PSA
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Hello Again Lori...and a thank you again....

A P.S. I have been working on my blog hoping and trying to keep my name out there while trying to get myself in the game again of supply and demand.
But, Lori, I have to say, I am not sure how a blog can help keep one's name out there and help sales.
Unless you are already well-known and artists and people flock to read your blogs abd then see your work.
If one looks at the posted blogs by various artists and then looks at the comment section, there really are not many comments on mosts of the blogs. Is anyone reading them at all? How does one know?
I know that goes off the subject of supply and demand. But, I do wonder about those blogs...and wonder what I am doing wrong.

Trisha..... I read your post and agree with what you have written about the quality and the amount of works.

Carol McIntyre
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Lori -- I have been thinking about 'cleaning up' my website and your article has just pushed me to do just that!

Thank you for taking a common economic concept and applying it to artists. We need someone to paint the picture for us! :)

Looking forward to next weeks article.

Jill Banks
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Lori,
I always love reading your articles ... and next week's installment will be a must-read. As a prolific painter, I've worried about having too much inventory ... but appreciate Trisha's comment that each painting is a supply of one. Since I don't create giclees except in rare circumstances, if someone loves a piece -- they need to grab it while it's available.

Many of my collectors have realized this sense of urgency after seeing pieces land in other people's hands. A long-time collector commented that "she now realized that there were competitors out there for my work."

Blogging does raise the demand for work. People fall for a piece when they see it develop, understand the thought process and inspiration or appreciate a funny story that accompanies it. Subscribers build over time ... if what you're writing about is interesting. Comments are few and far between even if there are plenty of people reading. I know how many subscribers there are (by checking feedburner) and have stats on other visitors.

Lately, my production of new work has gone way down due to major portrait commissions that take a huge amount of my time. It will be interesting to see how that affects demand for other work.

One story to check out for daily painters is Julian Merrow-Smith's Postcard from Provence. One painting is posted daily to be auctioned off within 24 hours. His paintings are outstanding and he has benefited from incredible press. His following is enthusiastic to say the least. I've noticed that if he takes a holiday or few days off, the auction on the next painting he posts goes nuts.

Thanks again for this post and all of the great discussion to follow.

One more thing: if you're prolific at painting, it's a good idea to be prolific at selling/getting out there.

Jill Banks





Jim Springett
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Hi Lori,
Very nice blog and I certainly fall into the role of selling smaller art pieces without framing. While this has generated interest in my work, the value of and looking for higher end clients is a good goal. I have many works on my website in the hundreds, how many do you feel is a good number. From your story only the very best. Is there any value in showing everything? If not why if yes why? Also I have noticed in my local shows here in small town USA in NW WI, that showing a dozen paintings has not worked, sounds like may have been way over board? I have an upcoming show and we have one very good trumpeter swan painting in a raffle, maybe let that be the primary painting, and i'll be painting live in that show, and be happy with that. Creating a demand for my work is not new, but needs more attention too. When I do shows I show only my best work, even when I have a dozen they are tops, each one very unique. Since I did not have time to prepare and paint for this show, a new body of work, due to duck stamp paintings for the past two months, I'll keep simple and stick with just the one painting we're selling tickets for.
Great article, thank you.

Jim Springett-wildife painter

Sandy Askey-Adams, PSA
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Dear Jill:

Thank you.....I was interested in what you wrote about the blogging. It seems that many (or most) of the artists who are blogging post photos of their recent art work. Art they are working on or have worked on with comments about that piece of art or the price of it or whatever they can relate to that art. Some put up lessons which is great to do and interesting for sure...and of course it teaches. OR some post demonstrations of their work as they are prgressing along with it.
Maybe those few ways are what blogging is about... and not in the way I do it.

(I too do not create giclees except in rare circumstances. Have a few and people are always asking if I have a giclee of this piece or that. Always not the same piece. :) Plus if I did that giclee, there is no gurantee that it will sit there and not sell other than to that one client who asked...and even that is not a guarantee.)

I will check into Julian Merrow-Smith's Postcard from Provence. Sounds good.

jack white
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Lori,

Been meaning to write and see how you are doing.

For the past 20 years we have done a study on the number of painting for Mikki to keep in a gallery. We have found if we fall below 5 pieces sales drop, when we get over ten pieces sales taper off. There is no urgency to buy. When people see twenty paintings, they feel no urgency to make a choice.

At collector events we hope to have 15, because we will have 50 to 75 collectors. There is still an urgency. More buyers than paintings.

Like you I see there are artists with everything they have ever done on their website, including class room stuff. It's better to have ten of your best than a 100 of well below average, stuff that's ten to twenty years years old. People can only see a few images before they become overloaded.

Great piece. Hugs, jack

Karen Burnette Garner
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Hi, Lori,
I can see where you are coming from, but I don't know that my experience has borne it out. I show through a gallery where there is a high turnover of artwork... and I sell artwork fairly quickly, most within a month or two. There are a few more unique pieces that might take longer, but the clients know if they wait, they might miss something. So I suppose the urgency is there. But if I don't have enough new pieces on hand, there is no urgency to buy! If pieces sit too long, they come home and are reworked, or sent to other venues. It's a quandry I often struggle with. You can't sell if you don't show.. enough. You mention that the website should not display too many pieces...you may be right there, but many of my pieces are done as commissions from artworks that have already sold, but are visible on the website. I am trying to have a "Latest work" tab, where the most recent pieces are posted, and using the other tabs as archive sites for clients to view when desired. Now, to remember to move the older pieces to archive -- that's a reminder I needed! Thanks for your post...
Karen

Sharon Weaver
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I cleaned up my website about six months ago, eliminating work that was just OK. I like the way it looks much more now. Also work that I liked a few years ago, I now see as not the best so as I improve I become more critical of my work. There is a fine line between not enough and too much. I see that I have sold a lot of my water and ocean paintings and need to do more but in my land views I have a little too many paintings. I think I should edit that category.

David Ralston
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Finally something worth reading and to get the wheels turning great.

Lori Woodward
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Hi Everyone,
I'm away from home and have limited internet access, but I have been reading through the comments and will reply when I have more time. Lots of interesting comments and thoughts!

I spent most of the day revamping a website of one of my clients today.

Just an example, I've seen artists who produce hundreds of works a year and have prices over $4000 - they are the ones I've seen saturate their market in less than a decade. It doesn't happen right away.

On the other hand, if your prices are reasonable - below $500 and below, you'll probably sell a lot of work, so there's no harm in that.

A collector friend of mine attended a solo show in NYC of a well known artist. There were a couple of hundred paintings hung. This collector said he felt overwhelmed by the amount of work shown, and decided he would not buy from that artist.

I wrote a blog awhile back about avoiding saturating your market, and that blog got me a gig speaking at Oil Painters of America this year.

BTW: Jack! I did learn from your books about the 5-9 paintings. I believe it and in a gallery setting, it worked for me.

There are no hard and fast rules about selling art because there are many variables. Each artist has to find their own sweet spot, and that is going to depend on their output, strength of following and price points. I've seen that it's almost impossible to get higher prices for work if there's too much of it available.

I'm open to the fact that there are expensive artists who show and sell hundreds of works. I know artists who were able to do just that - at decent prices before the economy took a nose dive. Now these artists are making only 10 percent of their previous income. They aren't lowering their prices, and they are not in a position to sell to the ultra wealthy - sort of waiting for things to change, but they might not.

Selling art is getting harder, not easier - that's why so many galleries have closed in the past 2 years and are still closing. These are galleries that have been around a long time.

Well, if I write any more than this, it'll be a whole 'nother blog! Will re-read comments later this week for sure!
Lori
Hugs to you Jack and Mikki!


Donald Fox
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Marketing is a continual challenge. Different perspectives and experiences are always valuable. Thanks for sharing yours.

Esther J. Williams
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Lori, this is funny, but I was thinking about supply and demand recently and how it applies to the value of artwork. I trim or cull my website once in awhile. I am most interested in the notion of why people will judge the whole collection of the artist based on the 'worst' piece. Is it that bad taste they get in their mouth kind of thing?
I see quite a few pointers to help me in this article. As always, you did good Lori! Thanks!

David Randall
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Right you are. Born into several generations of artist both commercial and fine art I have always known it's a lifes work nothing less. There is no other measure. Those not in the arts don't have a clue and can not easily understand.

Donna Robillard
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This was great - and just at the right time. I have started a new series and was wondering whether to put the images on my website. I think for now, it would be best not to. I enjoyed reading everyone's comments. Thanks for all the input.

Jill Banks
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Your paintings are stunning, Donna. Beautiful portraits! I'm curious about your new series.

C Kaufman
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Mixed feelings about if one shows too much or too little art.
I have tested it both ways on my website and see no difference in feedback, interaction or sales.

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Etsy - Bazillions of art things and adding more each day. Are they doing it wrong?
Lots of supply there. An artist needs to put up a lot of art just to get lucky to show up in a search.
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Most mid-to-small galleries have lots of art from lots of artists.
I have often heard the comment from gallery visitors about the artist that has the most art in the gallery: "He/she must sell well, they have lots of art by that artist." More art can be a positive reinforcement on popularity.
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If the art is good, I can spend lots of time looking at it on either the web or an art gallery. If the art is not of interest or not good, it only gets a quick glance from me. The higher the quality, the more art by that artist I want to see.
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Rough rule of thumb I would say is the higher the price of the art, the fewer pieces one shows. And vice-versa.

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Regarding art on a website, I think making major changes to the design of one's art website 2-3 times per year will do more to get more viewers than worrying about the number of pieces of art shown.

jack white
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C. Kaufman

Lori gave you some sound advice. You should listen to her, she knows her stuff. Her wisdom is valuable. You can show too much art.

Also only show your very best on your website. People judge you by your worst pieces.

When there is a lot of art, painted by one artist there is no urgency to buy. The prospect sees 20 pieces by an artist, they know there is no rush. There is also added confusion what to select. The get overloaded and end up buying nothing.

I've been marketing art for 42 years. I've seen about all the mistakes possible to make.

ESTY sells very little art compared to eBay. I have found many artists use ESTY as their website to post their images. It's basically a buy now site. eBay is an auction, that allows two or three buyers to get in a bidding war.

I explained earlier how we did a twenty year study on my mate, Mikki Senkarik's art as related to gallery sales. We found when we drop to under 5 painting sales slow and when we hang over ten pieces sales slow again. We do best with 7 to 9 painting unless is an annual show.

You are making a big marketing mistake by showing a lot of art.

I don't think changing your website three times a year helps. You are wasting valuable painting time. Change our a few images.

I did an experiment on eBay. I marketed under an alter and in the last two years of a 3.5 year trial did best when I listed 6 pieces a week. I listed one a day and skipped Sunday. My system worked, because I sold $40,000 annually or more the last two years my alter was on eBay. No one knew they were buying a Jack White. I was successful due to the way I marketed the art. I wrote a book on what I did to be successful.

Anytime you can learn from someone as wise as Lori, you need to listen. You showed what you don't know by your answers.

Jack White

David Ralston
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Interesting still but have some doubt as well sorry. Not just one way to anything works for everyone know matter how wise you may think you are or how long ya been selling. Some art to me is crap but yet it sells so dont get why your worst may be your downfall. Yes I can admit my marketing is limited for now but not sure I'm convinced. Although is a considered thought.

David Ralston
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By the way Jack ya showed what ya dont know comment is way out of line I think I dont care how rich ya may be. Lots of us are trying to learn from you so called pro's so what we don't know maybe lots but thats part of the journey isnt it. And honestly I read this every day and still wonder why cause I've learned more elsewhere.

C Kaufman
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Jack - Thanks for your comments. Always fun to read them! :-)

I did a search on Google and can not find any mention of your art except your website at
http://www.jackwhiteartist.com/originals/index.htm

I searched the Texas art data base at Heritage Auctions
http://fineart.ha.com/texasart/?ic=task-art-texasart
and art net http://www.artnet.com/ and can't find your art.
No galleries.
Give us tip where we can see your art. :-)

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You say not to show too much art, 5-9, paintings. Yet I see 40 paintings on your web page.
(And when was the last time you changed the paintings or added new art?)

Regarding how many paintings are exhibited at a gallery - the gallery decides that, not the artist.
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RE: Etsy vs. Ebay sales. Do you have any statistics to back up your comment that "ESTY sells very little art compared to eBay."?
In May 2012 Etsy had sales of $65,900,000. Number of items sold - 3,034,442.
http://www.etsy.com/blog/news/2012/etsy-statistics-may-2012-weather-report/

I just checked ebay: They list 169,552 that are direct from the artist.
Etsy has 1,280,645 art things currently listed.

Most of the art sold on Ebay is not new, but people selling things they own. Such as my Aunt Tillie has a bunch of paintings she found in the attic she wants to sell - she tries ebay. Or some art wholesaler is trying to dump his Thomas Kinkade paintings.
Etsy is new art.
And, Jack, eBay-type auctions suck. Unless it is Van Gogh or other high end art auction at Christies, auctions are a terrible way for an artist to sell art.

Do you currently even sell your art on Ebay or Etsy or anywhere? Do you have a link to your Ebay site?
What years did you do that ebay experiment?

Jack - Whenever I drop by the faso forum I always enjoy reading your comments! :-)


jack white
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C. Kaufman

I have not been on eBay for over three years and then it was under an alter. I will not share that name. I'll be happy to send you a free copy of the book I wrote telling what I learned selling art on eBay. I did the experiment so I could write to help others. I figured if I could earn a living as an unknown artist then others could as well. It was never about the money, but to learn.

If ESTY works for you then great. You are the only artist I've heard from that is selling well on their site. I know many who have tried and failed.

I'm 80 years old and no longer market my art. I would not expect to be on Google. After I'm gone the art will be sold by Heritage. I'm trying to delay that for a few more years. Two years ago my eye sight got too weak to see the brush touch the canvas, but I still market Mikki's art.

My website is not for marketing. It's more of a reflection on my life and for the collectors. Each month I hear from four to ten old collectors or those who inherited my art. I sold thousands of my gold leaf work between 1970 and 1978, then I turned to learn how to paint in oils.

At this stage in my life I'm dedicated to helping others, including you. I freely help all that ask. I've written seven books on marketing art to make the path easier for those who follow.

The small inventory I have now belongs to Mikki. She will be able to raise a nice amount after I go home. I'm not physically able to paint more art.

I hope this answers your questions.

Jack



C Kaufman
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Jack -
You write: "If ESTY works for you then great. You are the only artist I've heard from that is selling well on their site."

I never said I sold my art on Etsy. I wrote in reply to this topic:
"Etsy - Bazillions of art things and adding more each day. Are they doing it wrong?
Lots of supply there. An artist needs to put up a lot of art just to get lucky to show up in a search."

However, do I know quite a few artists that make good money selling their art via Etsy (and other similar websites). It is not for me, but works well for many.

Etsy must work somewhat - in May 688,365 new members joined the Etsy community. And 1.29 billion page views were recorded on the site in May. Plus their sales were up over 50 percent from the previous May.
Maybe you should give it a try, Jack!

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Regarding your eBay experiment: Jack, perhaps you forgot, but about a year or more ago you sent me an email with a few digital files of the paintings you sold in your eBay experiment. Wood Duck, Stonewall Jackson, Cardinal, etc.

As far as collectors of your art, sorry, but I can not find much art out their with your name on it.
Searched eBay and found this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/L289P-VINTAGE-FRAMED-LISTED-ARTIST-JACK-WHITE-GOLD-LEAF-ECHRUSEOS-ORIGINAL-/300759108886?pt=Art_Mixed_Mediaandhash=item4606a3cd16

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Regarding the "Supply and Demand" topic, my experience is that when people look at art - no matter how many paintings are being exhibited - they lock on to the 1 or 2 they like and blank the rest out of their mind and make the purchase based just on the one they really like.
I have never heard anyone say "I would buy this painting, but can't because you have too many in this exhibition."

If the logic of only showing 5-9 paintings were used then one would need to tell the gallery owner to empty the gallery of all other art, because people can't decide on what art to buy if there is more than 9 paintings in the gallery.
And then one should totally forget selling at art fairs - too much art on display! ;-)

Jack - always interesting reading your comments here. :-)

Lori Woodward
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I'm here and reading all the comments! Interesting, and I must say that there is not one-fits-all answer for any artist, but there are general ways of working. I advise taking advice, seeing what works best for you and your personality, output and price range.

It's true that the higher the price, the fewer works should be available. I've seen that with the artists I know personally who sell at very high ranges.

I've got limited internet, so I'll see if I can get back tomorrow to join the conversation. Thanks Jack for your support!


Brian Sherwin
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Lori -- Supply and demand is a great topic. I've known a few shop owners over the years... and they all use it to their advantage. Even the 'big boys' like Walmart utilize it as strategy. If you have a product that has not sold well the best thing a shop owner can do is place some in storage -- which suggests to customers that the item is selling. Suddenly there is interest -- that sense of urgency takes over. Artists can learn from that.




Lori Woodward
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OK! I'm finally online, and I Hope my battery holds out for this reply.

Trisha, as you've probably come to this conclusion, soap is a different product than original paintings.

Here's my take on number of paintings and prices. If you're prices are low, and you're selling at outdoor shows... by low price, I mean under $150, it's perfectly fine to show as many paintings as you wish. They will sell fast at the price. Likewise, for those who sell online at low prices for original work... it seems that having 40 or more options works well.

Maybe I didn't get it across very well, but low prices can support a high inventory, and this is exactly how artists are selling on ebay and through their blogs. I'm not sure exactly what price will make sales slow down, but each artist needs to pay attention to what price point they sell the most at.

Another thing to consider is which collecting audience do you want to attract? There are collectors who buy expensive paintings, by artists who have taken years to build a following. Price is often dictated by whether collectors, magazines and other "gatekeepers" consider your work as "masterful" or of the highest quality. It takes years to develop this kind of repore with galleries and collectors. Those artists who are getting prices over $5000 for their work have worked hard to get to that point, it doesn't happen overnight and without considerable effort.

Jack is talking about 5-9 artworks hanging on a gallery wall. A website is different. I know that if you have too many works for sale (and no red dots) on a gallery wall, it discourages buyers because it looks like you're not selling. Of course, if it's a solo show, it's expected that you'll have a few dozen works for sale.

The key is that you want to make collectors think that your work is selling. If you've got way more for sale than SOLD on your website or a gallery wall, it looks like your work is not in demand.

There is something called, Social Proof, and it is a strong motivator to collectors. Social proof comes in the form of red dots on your website, recently sold works, and testimonials from your collectors (which do well on your website or ads).

The works you've already sold can be an advertisement of sorts on your website or even at a galley show or event. Remember that buyers and collectors need to feel secure that they're making a good choice in buying your work.

Jim S... how many depends on your price, where you're showing the work. If you've got dozens of unsold works that have been on your website for months, it could make visitors think you don't sell much.

One thing you might try is putting out your available work, little by little, and always show some work that you've sold along with the work for sale. BTW: It's OK to have plenty of sold works on your website... it's "social proof".

Karen, I'm wondering if you might share why you think your work sells well at your gallery... it might be helpful to other artists to know what you attribute to your success. Perhaps it's that your work is outstanding and reasonably priced... "easy to buy".

Esther, it is totally true that gallerists, juries, and collectors will judge the work they love against your entire body of work. If they see several works that don't measure up to the one they're considering, they'll decide not to spend their money. I know of several real life cases where a collector did not buy the work they loved because the work they were considering was better than the rest of the artist's body of work.

I'm also aware of an artist who was being considered for representation in a major gallery - and when the gallerist saw older, inferior works on the artist's website, they non longer considered that artist for their gallery.

It really is true. Always post a consistent body of work - it all must look like it's painted by you (recognizable as yours) and the quality of the works shown should all be in the same range.

Esty: I don't know much about it, but most of the artists who use it - sell 3D or fine craft. There are a number of artists right now who link from their facebook page to ebay auctions. There is a psychology with auctions that helps artwork to sell. Again price point is important.

When I spoke at OPA, my audience was made up of seasoned professionals whose sales have taken a big hit/dip. Many of them have had galleries close, and these artists have no idea how to get movement with sales, or market their work. I wanted to get the idea of supply and demand across to them because if their work is at higher prices - $3000-$25000, they'd better not look like their work is "just sitting there".

The higher the price, the fewer collectors - and risk of lowered demand in a recession. An artist's job is to work at increasing demand for their work. There are many ways to do that, depending on what venues you work with. But in any case, it doesn't do much good if collectors think your work is not in demand.

You've got to make it appear that your work is being avidly collected and the folks who have purchased the work are very glad they did!

OK... hope that helps! More later!
Lori


Pat Wood
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This is a very well written informative article.
I have been asking myself how should I price my paintings;and, being a slow painter it becomes more obvious that the quality and theme of the works I do have to be of fine exceptional quality. So I keep looking for new answers so that I can show my work to others. I'm still working on the quality of work. So that I can produce more and being happy with the fine art that I want to produce.










 

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