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Alternative Exposure for Art: Artist faces wedding invitation art request

by Brian Sherwin on 6/28/2012 6:36:50 AM

This article is by Brian Sherwin, regular contributing writer for FineArtViews. Brian Sherwin is an art critic, blogger, curator, artist and writer based near Chicago, Illinois. He has been published in Hi Fructose Magazine, Illinois Times, and other publications, and linked to by publications such as The Huffington Post, The Boston Globe, Juxtapoz Magazine, Deutsche Bank ArtMag, ARTLURKER, Myartspace, Blabbermouth, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Conservative Punk, Modern Art Obsession, Citizen LA, Shark Forum, Two Coats of Paint, Vandalog, COMPANY, artnet, WorldNetDaily (WND) and Art Fag City. If you want your blog posts listed in the FineArtViews newsletter with the possibility of being republished to our 19,000+ subscribers, consider blogging with FASO Artist Websites.  Disclaimer: This author's views are entirely his/her own and may not reflect the views of BoldBrush, Inc.. You should submit an article and share your views as a guest author by clicking here.

 

An artist recently asked what he should do in a situation involving wedding invitations. Long story short, the artist had been asked if images of his artwork could be used on wedding invitations. The happy couple desired to use the images without paying financial compensation -- they wanted to cut down on wedding expenses. Needless to say, the artist was struggling over his best interest while at the same time thinking of the couple (he knew the wife-to-be). I reminded him that a request like this can offer opportunity without direct profit involved.

 

I normally warn against taking on nonpaying art jobs. That said, in this situation the artist may benefit from the exposure – and do so in a way that is not a career killer (it is doubtful that anyone will hold it against the artist later). Pointblank, the average wedding in the United States involves anywhere between 50 and 200 guests... I made it clear that the wedding guests could potentially be introduced to his artwork IF the happy couple is willing to include a link to his artist website on the wedding invitation and wedding program. As I told him... it may translate to 50+ new visitors to his artist website.

 

This alternative form of exposure may spur opportunity if his artwork is placed prominently on the wedding program along with basic information (artist name, title of work, and website address). After all, people are 'hungry' for something to do while waiting for the reception food to be served – guests are doing more with their phones than just taking pictures. The wedding reception guests may end up killing some time by looking up the artist. That places the artist in a good position with guests... because he already has a 'stamp of approval' from the happy couple.

 

The artist seemed shocked by my proposal -- he worried that such a request may offend the couple. I reminded him that the couple had already burdened him with a one-sided request -- and that his request for acknowledgement was not much to ask for considering that financial compensation was not offered. It did not take him long to start seeing things my way.

 

In closing, what do you think about this situation? Do you agree with my suggestion? Do you feel that my suggestion is rude? If you had this opportunity... what would you do? Would you barter for exposure... OR demand compensation? Is this scenario acceptable as a form of alternative exposure for art? Let me know what you think.

 

Take care, stay true,

 

Brian Sherwin



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Delilah
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I have had this same request. I have said yes as long as I get credit and a link.I have also let Vegetable Farmers use one of my images as a logo with the same. Sure I would like to make a little extra from it but I think its good business karama.

Jane Hopkins
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I think you're right on target with your recommendations. I would not demand compensation either, when in fact the exposure would be beneficial. It is a compliment to use your art in the celebration of their wedding. So to act pecuniary in this matter would be rather rude or tacky. The WAY that you ask for the credit and exposure would make all of the difference.

Brian Sherwin
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I'll add that you never know who may be on the guest list... with any luck -- perhaps some lawyers or doctors who LOVE art. Someone mentioned elsewhere that it might be wise to see if the couple would be willing to mention your work in some way as a gift request in this scenario. Thoughts?

Jackie
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As I was reading, I was thinking that yes, we would do it for the reasons you have all mentioned.

What I would really want though is to be at the wedding on the off-chance that any of the guests actually wanted to meet the artist. I also think that there's a possibility that guests could order a signed, limited edition print of the work as a memento of the occasion so I'd have my sales kit to hand!

Exposure is OK for its own sake but not our goal. But I do think that in this case the artist could really make the most of it.

Jane Hopkins
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If the couple really loves the work, maybe they will put it on their wish list, seems probable. But, you could ask the couple if they would like you to bring the piece to the reception, and display on a easel. That would be very good exposure. Most paintings look better than the printed materials. This gets a little dangerous though, they may expect you to give it as a gift. My friends and family seem to expect me to offer my art as a gift, it puts me in an uncomfortable position.

Edi...Shott
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This is a very delicate situation----the problem is that most people outside the art industry---consider all art a hobby---people have their own currency and don;t consider art as currency--people often ask "how long did it take for you to make this painting?"--I tell them my age when I made the painting. People are allways demanding free art but when their product is for sale--they want top dollarFor some reason there have been some people who fix or sell used cars or used car mparts have asked me how much I would charge for a painting. When they ask"How long did it take.."--what they are doing is wanting an amt of hours times 1/2 minimum wage and that is what they think is a fair price.---I try to avoid these situations like the plague. Nothing good ever comes of it.

Jackie
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Our artwork is photography. So how long does it take to take a photograph? A second.

How long does it take to take a fine art photograph? A lifetime.

Picasso's napkin.

Jackie
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By the way, this is the only place I've been able to comment this weekend. Everywhere else on the site I get an 'internal server error' message. If anyone has the email address of the tech team (I don't) please can you alert them? Thanks!

Jackie
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I'm also getting this message:

"Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a01c2'
Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'GetBlogComment'
/brushbuzz/discussion/inc_func_getblogcommentsbyurl.asp, line 26"

Thanks!

Brian Sherwin
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Jackie -- I'll let them know. I ran into some errors as well. I know Clint is working on a bunch of tech stuff... so it may have to do with that. Not sure.

Brian Sherwin
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Ed -- You are correct... and it is a problem. I know Luann Udell wrote about that specific question and how to handle it. I think a lot of it is that people, in general, view artists as simply wanting recognition -- they fail to realize that artists also enjoy... um.... making money. :)

Jackie
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Thanks Brian! It's frustrating when I want to add my 2c but can't :)

Charlotte Herczfeld
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Had it happening to me... but as the proud parents of the groom bought the actual painting as a wedding present, I smiled when the bride and groom happily told me after the fact that "we took your image from your site and put it on our invitations and the menu, and we hope you don't mind". Um, er, no I don't mind.

And I really don't, but I would have been happier if they had asked first, but on the other hand I know how stressful it is to prepare a wedding so I understand they forgot. They did put my name by the picture, too, and I regarded it as free marketing.

On the other hand, I have refused the use of one of my paintings in a product brochure, as all I would get was "exposure" (sounds a bit dangerous, doesn't it :-). That market was on the wrong side of the globe, and it was geared towards artists (a painting medium) and not collectors. I wanted the license fee, not "exposure".

I'm not saying this well, but I'm trying to convey that it really depends on the situation.


Brian Sherwin
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Jane -- The wish list idea is great.

John G. Anderson
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It's a difficult call. Sometimes exposure helps get an artist known, but seldom results in sales. Getting known does have value. Also, it depends for me on how close I am to the person asking. I think what you suggest is perfectly fine. We do need to be careful, though not to over value exposure to the point that people exploit us. The same issues come up in responding to charities. There is no offense in what you suggest. As a matter of fact, it's little to ask.

jack white
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Brian,

The chances of someone seeing an invitation and calling the artists are slim to none other than them wanting to use his/her image for their wedding. People's focus in on the wedding not the art. 90 percent of those receiving the invitation has no interest in art.

This is something an artist does to help a friend. It's not a gift if you expect something in return. Mikki and I both have given our images for those and other invitations. We see that as a way to share with our fellow people.

The idea of exposure is a myth. Exposure gets you no sales unless the art is placed in front of art buyers. Early in my career I gave dozens of painting for exposure. As I grew I realized that exposure never brought me any sales. (smile)

We have allowed total strangers to use our images for special things. Life is not all about taking, but giving also has a place.

Jack

Linda Rosso
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Thank you, Jack White, you beat me to the punch! Giving is good.

I regularly give away a small painting on my Facebook page, or through my email list or blog AND I pay for the shipping, too.

Because people have cared enough to like and enjoy my art, I like to give something back. Sometimes those people end up becoming customers, but that's not the point.



Sandra R Cutrer
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Brian, I loved your answer to a sticky situation. I hope you do a follow-up and let us know the out come!

R. D. Wall
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Do the bride and groom want a wedding gift, or are they willing to consider the artwork the "gift?" If they want a "gift," then by all means print the artist's info.

Kristina
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nicely said, Jack

As a sort of in between, perhaps the artist could have an image of his painting at the reception with a QR code linking to his website, and something like "like this painting? go here to see more"

-Kristina

Kristina
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nicely said, Jack

As a sort of in between, perhaps the artist could have an image of his painting at the reception with a QR code linking to his website, and something like "like this painting? go here to see more"

-Kristina

Nancy Riedell
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I absolutely agree with you, Brian. I think every artist worth his or her savvy should take advantage of any marketing opportunity that comes along. Putting the name of the artist and the website on the back of the invitation makes absolute sense to me. After all, like you said, you never who's sitting in the crowd - maybe a young doctor or lawyer starting out and needs to add artwork to their new offices!

Amanda Brett
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I like to think I would have been clever enough to ask to have some framed works on display at the wedding reception, just quietly in the corner and perhaps the art on the invite could be acknowledged and referred to during the speeches etc. they could be bought by the guests as wedding gifts even an entertaining 'auction game' or gift registry. actually i think its a great opportunity wasted - if they're real friends they would have welcomed an opportunity to help their artist mate!!

JT Harding
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I like the idea of having the painting at the wedding reception. It's one thing to see a small picture. It's another thing to see the actual framed work.

Brian Sherwin
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Jack -- You said, "The chances of someone seeing an invitation and calling the artists are slim to none other than them wanting to use his/her image for their wedding. People's focus in on the wedding not the art. 90 percent of those receiving the invitation has no interest in art."

I have a different take on it. If the artist is mentioned on the wedding program -- along with a site link -- people will likely visit the artists website during the reception. People are often looking for something to do to kill time waiting for the food to be served -- you see a lot of texting going on during receptions... and some of those people are playing around online. It may not result in sold work... but it may introduce your artwork to a new admirer.

You said, "The idea of exposure is a myth. Exposure gets you no sales unless the art is placed in front of art buyers."

I disagree. Exposure is very real... and very important. Now... I know you have 40 years of experience -- and I respect that. That said, I have some years under my belt as well -- years working for online art services and with galleries / international art fairs involved with those services -- and I have observed how exposure, specifically online exposure, has created opportunities that artists would otherwise not have had.

There is a still a place for footwork... but digital steps, if you will, are just as important.



Brian Sherwin
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Jack, Linda -- I see nothing wrong with asking the couple to credit you as the artist... including website address. Most of the wedding programs I've seen do that for the reception DJ or band... why should artists expect less -- friend or not?

Brian Sherwin
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Kristina -- The QR code idea is a nice addition to this debate. I agree with what others have said... in this scenario it would be great if the artwork ended up displayed... perhaps in a corner near the beverages. I mean, there is risk there -- the work could be damaged... anything can happen. BUT I can see how the work being physically present may further spur interest. Like I've said... people DO look for 'time killers' while waiting for the food, and so on. If you can be that 'time killer'... go for it!

Brian Sherwin
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John -- You said, "We do need to be careful, though not to over value exposure to the point that people exploit us."

I agree with you 100 percent on that. It all depends on the context. For example, an artist can technically receive a lot of exposure for providing album cover art for free... BUT that album is a product -- the artist, in that case, should seek to be compensated OR receive a cut of whatever is made -- or both.

Fiona Purdy
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For me I would not have a problem with allowing someone to use images of my artwork on wedding stationery at all, as long as I would get full credit (name and website address at the least). It is good exposure or as I see it advertising - and even better it is FREE. What have I got to lose? In fact it's the same to me as someone having one of my postcards, people do save wedding announcement etc - so your info quite possibly could be seen months or years after the actual wedding.

Also as you said Brian, people are able to look up websites during the reception.

It would be another thing entirely if they requested I create artwork specifically for their wedding for free. That I would not do. But to just use images of my work? No problem at all.

One thing that I do find strange however is the suggestion of having an actual painting on display at the wedding. How rude, the day is about the Bride and Groom - not about you and your art.

Brian Sherwin
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Fiona -- But in that scenario... if the couple desired to have the work on display during the reception... I see nothing wrong with doing it (aside from the risk of damage that I mentioned). If the couple desires that... I see nothing wrong with having info about the artist and artwork (name, title, website)displayed as well.

Brian Sherwin
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Fiona -- And I agree with you... compensation is a MUST if the couple requested a work of art created just for the occasion (that includes the invites/program). That is... unless you happen to view doing it as a gift.

Fiona Purdy
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My bad Brian, I must have missed your comment that said the couple were ok with the artwork being displayed, that's a different story entirely and that's quite acceptable. Thanks for letting me know that.


Fiona Purdy
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Another thought I just had - was the artist invited to the wedding and the reception? If so - what a great opportunity it would be for them to talk to other guests about his art and themselves. Then there quite possibly could be a chance for future sales of artwork.

It would definitively be a no brainer in my opinion to have my artwork on the wedding stationery if that were the case!

Marian Fortunati
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I enjoyed reading the comments as much as the initial discussion about this artist's quandary. I'd think it was a good idea... especially as a gift.

Gihan Zohdy
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I firmly believe that the artist's name and website are to be mentioned in the invitation card, regardless of whether exposure will be blessed. The public has to realise that creating art is a difficult and arduous process, so this is the least it can do.

Brian Sherwin
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Marian -- But if the artist wants credit... is it still a gift? There appears to be some debate about that... a few have implied that it is selfish to ask for acknowledgement. What say you? Does the artist in this situation -- even if agreeing to do it as a gift -- deserve credit? Is it selfish to ask for proper credit under the image and to be included in the thank you section (or however the couple does it) of the wedding program?

Brian Sherwin
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The way I see it... if the couples makes the request there is nothing wrong with setting a few ground rules concerning the image use. The artist should not feel pressured to offer the image without being credited simply because he knows the couple.

Donald Fox
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I don't see any right or wrong here. What do you feel comfortable with? What are you willing to do? How do you value your work? Where are you willing for it to be shown? Not everyone will answer these questions the same way.

Brian Sherwin
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Donald -- Excellent point... in the end the answer depends on the individual.

BJTuininga
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I am a graphic designer as well as a fine artist. I am often asked to design invitations for a variety of functions. I always make sure that my name is discretely hidden in the artwork or as a logo on the back of the card. My artwork is always pen and ink with or without watercolor. Fortunately most people are willing to pay for my services. In some instances I will give the artwork and invitations, etc as a wedding gift.

Sharon Weaver
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I agree with Brian on this. Exposure does lead to sales. I recently was asked to teach two classes because of my information on a business internet site. In addition, I was asked to be the featured artist at an upcoming event where there will be thousands of guests through an article in a local paper. I have also sold paintings to out of state collectors through my website. All of these opportunities came about through my continual efforts for exposure. Getting your information in front of as many people as possible is very important.

Debra
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Who takes the wedding invitation into the reception and reads it again? I think the exposure idea is limited at best. It's more likely to be stuck on the refrigerator or maybe left on the car seat and thrown away. People don't save that stuff these days!

I create designs for print-on-demand products (invitations, iphone cases, tshirts, etc) and work with other designers who do scads of wedding related products. We pretty much all agree that we do not put logos or websites on wedding products. That's generally considered tacky and brides don't care for it.

There are a few questions here: do the bride and groom really love the art? Or do they just want to save money? There's a ton of ways to save money without requesting someone else to gift you their work, so I'd have to assume they just really love the art.

So. . . you give them access to your lovely artwork. Then what? Who is going to design the invitations? the coordinating RSVP cards? the wedding programs? Somehow I don't think a couple asking for free artwork is going to pay a designer.

Trust me, people who don't know what they're doing don't know to create wedding collections. You could have that great art with your name and logo on the worst looking invitations in the world.

Unless you're going to get involved in the whole process (assuming you know how to design wedding invitations) or trust whoever will do the designing, I'd think twice about gifting the image and about requesting a link.




Amanda Brett
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Brian thanks for sharing this story with us, without your wonderful blogs I would never have come up with all these great solutions by myself! :) cheers A

jack white
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JT
Remember this is their wedding. Not an art show. If you want to give then give. It's not a gift if you expect things in return.
Jack

susan holland
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I have a logo image I use with permission from the artist (who is a well-known media cartoonist). I asked him what it would cost to buy rights to use it, and he amazingly answered with a kind letter telling me $20, and wishing me well at my marketing project.

I cannot ever talk about the logo with people without telling them this story. It is such good press for not only the winsome logo painting, but also for the good will of the artist.

He will continue to be praised and "advertized" as long as I use that logo, which has been about five years now, and I plan to continue into the future.

Tim Sheppard is the name. http://www.lastwordon.com/gallery-p2.htm

Brian Sherwin
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Debra -- I agree with you about the logo idea... that might be going a bit far. It all depends on how the couple feels I suppose.

The way I see it... the artist has two angles of direction here -- the invites and the wedding program itself. So if the couple is OK with offering credit, and the website address, that is two points of contact. My experience has been that people do pay attention to the program.

Brian Sherwin
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Everyone -- Another thing to think about concerning having the painting on display at the reception... some places charge extra if you don't use their decorations OR if you bring your own decor.

My wedding is coming up in September -- if I were to display a friends painting it would cost me $50. So do keep that in mind if you suggest it to the couple if in this situation. It is OK to make the offer... but don't pressure them.

Jack -- The artist I wrote about was not asked to offer a gift. Are you suggesting that he should have offered the use of his image as a gift? I'm still a tad confused as to why you feel it is not acceptable to ask for proper credit in this situation. I mean, even if offered as a gift -- I think the artist deserves to receive proper attribution. Do you not think so?



Brian Sherwin
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Debra -- You said, "Trust me, people who don't know what they're doing don't know to create wedding collections. You could have that great art with your name and logo on the worst looking invitations in the world."

I'm not sure that matters for the artist as long as the image has proper credit below it -- and a site link. It is not going to be a career destroyer for the artist if his image ends up on a tacky wedding invite / program.

You said, "Unless you're going to get involved in the whole process (assuming you know how to design wedding invitations) or trust whoever will do the designing, I'd think twice about gifting the image and about requesting a link."

In the situation I wrote about the image was not a gift. Even if it was... I still don't see the problem with asking for proper credit and a link on both the invite and program -- even if they are both poorly designed.

The majority of the wedding programs I've seen list the DJ or band for the reception... including a link. They often list the florist as well, and a link. What is the issue with the artist expecting the same?

jack white
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Brian,
I don't agree.

I once gave permission to use one of my images for a funeral notice. I never thought of it getting me sales. I was doing my best to help a grieving husband.

Trust me on this, I take advantage of any chance we have to promote Mikki, but a wedding and a funeral are out of the question. We give to give. As I said if you expect something in return then that is barter not giving. You are trading your image for advertising.

The myth about exposure is just that a myth. I've done more than my share of exposure before I realized it was getting screwed. One year back in 1874 I gave 17 exposure paintings, and got one thank you note. Exposure is a cruel gimmick to get artists to give to charity. We are told, you will get a lot of exposure if you give. If you will let us use your image you will get a lot of exposure. There is no community more gullible than artists. Believing in exposure is near the top of the list of things not to do. I speak from many years of experience spanning two careers.

Exposure has not resulted in sales for either of us.

There are times we need to do things for free with no profit attached. We give to two charities each year. We believe in the McDonald House and the Church School which both are providing for others.

There is much more joy in giving than trying to promote at a wedding. I can't fathom of trying to promote my art at one of my kids or friends children's wedding.

I do think it's fine if the couple wants to put the artist URL on the back in tiny font.

Jack

Brian Sherwin
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Jack -- You said, "I once gave permission to use one of my images for a funeral notice. I never thought of it getting me sales. I was doing my best to help a grieving husband"

Jack, sales aside -- an artist still deserves proper credit for his or her image no matter how it is used. Songs used at a funeral visitation are offered proper credit, right? Artwork should be offered the same attention.

You said "We give to give. As I said if you expect something in return then that is barter not giving. You are trading your image for advertising."

The situation I wrote about was not a gift. The wife-to-be asked to use the image. In that case, there is nothing wrong with setting some ground rules. She made it clear that compensation would not be offered -- which opens the table for bartering. She approached him... not the other way around. Still, even if offered as a gift... I think proper credit should be expected if the image is used.



Brian Sherwin
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Jack -- Concerning exposure, you said, "Believing in exposure is near the top of the list of things not to do. I speak from many years of experience spanning two careers."

I think you are limiting the idea of gaining exposure by associating it only with charity. Exposure is much wider than that -- and I am in no way suggesting that all exposure offers are good. That said, I know for a fact that exposure -- specifically online exposure -- has helped artists. Take Sarah Maple for example -- the exposure she received online after being acknowledged by Saatchi Online jump-started her career. It made her a household name in some London circles... and opened gallery doors.

You said, "Exposure has not resulted in sales for either of us."

Having a website is a form of exposure. Are you suggesting your website has not helped spur business? I can point to artists who have made part of their living from the exposure they gain online... blog posts about prints that go viral... and so on.

Exposure is not a myth.

Susan Holland
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Wouldn't the image contain a signature, and couldn't that signature be accompanied by a copyright symbol? Part of the painting.

That would be recognition of the expected sort for a piece of art.


Brian Sherwin
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Susan -- I've seen Thomas Kinkade images on wedding programs (and for other events as well, including funeral visitations) and they always include his name and the title of the painting under the image. I assume they are that way when ordered. Why should other artists tuck info away in the image itself?



jack white
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Brian,

We spent $75,000 one year on exposure advertising in some of the top art magazines.We ran full page ads for 12 months in SWART. At the time we were selling well over $400,000 of Senkarik's a year through the art galleries. We saw no pick up in sales and those calling because of the ads were small. I know the art connected, because of our sales, but the exposure did nothing. Our sales remained the same.

I was trying to limit my response. I have found all types of exposure seldom does any thing.

The other day I was thumbing through Western Collector and saw a small sketch, size 8x10 on a full page ad. The ad was about $2,500. The ad cost more than the art. I suspected the artist was trying to get exposure.

I don't want this to be an argument. Nothing will change my mind, because I've already been down the exposure road. I know it doesn't work. All artist will get is discouragement.

This up there with handing the art in an air port, train station or library. A lot of exposure and no sales.

Jack



Jeff Musser
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So many comments, valid points abound. I enjoyed reading all of them. It all comes down to what the artist is comfortable with and how much they value their efforts.

Brian Sherwin
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Jack -- Just to be clear, I'm not arguing with you nor am I trying to change your mind. You are clearly set in your ways -- and that is fine. That said, if you debate with me... expect a response in kind. (I really did not mean for that to rhyme. Ha.)

As for art magazine ads... I would not have suggested buying ads in the first place. As I've said... not all exposure is good. Not every offer is good. That does not mean that exposure, in general, is a 'myth'. Furthermore, exposure does not always involve a price tag.

You have your experiences... I have mine. You have your thoughts on art marketing... I have mine. :)

Brian Sherwin
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Jeff -- The various viewpoints excite me. I have a lot of topics in my head from this comment stream... for example -- when is art marketing unethical? Is it unethical, in specific scenarios, to expect proper attribution? Lots of things to think about -- and I may entertain this topic again on FineArtViews soon... or the BrushBuzz Art Forum.

Jeff Musser
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There are certain situations, funerals perhaps, or maybe if someone has cancer etc. where asking for credit would be in bad taste. But in 99 percent of the time it is NEVER unethical to ask for credit and artist need to value their efforts more and take what is rightfully theirs. Artists and society in general need to get over the romantic notion perpetuated by movies and literature of “free spirited, starving artist that isn't concerned with money.”

Giving art as a gift? Unless it's a friend or a charity I love, NO F*ING WAY. I work too damn hard to give away my creations.


Debra
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Brian, I do agree with you about the program being an appropriate place for credit.

Regarding the Thomas Kincade wedding invites, I haven't seen any like that, so I can't comment.

Lots of good thoughts here.

I'm just thinking what I would do and it totally depends on who it was for.

If it was someone I was close to, I'd probably be happy for them to use the art on their invitations and either design the stuff for them or send them to someone who would do it.

I would care if the invites were really bad!

If it was someone I didn't know so well, I'd offer to put the art on invitations, etc and make the design available to my entire customer base. They could just buy them from me. For some products I would add a link and others, like the actual invites, I would not. Obviously not a solution that would work for everyone.

You could always give the bride and groom a handful of your business cards to give to anyone who inquires about the art (but not at the wedding). If they have a wedding website, that would also be an appropriate place for a link to your site.


Jackie
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Exposure - a wedding or a funeral has maybe a hundred guests on average? Some of those people, I admit, might have enough of an emotional connection with the event to buy a print of the artwork.

If exposure is the issue, I put Andy's work on social media every day and I estimate it's seen by at least 20,000 people. They are low-res images and it takes about two minutes to do.

I agree with Jack that exposure doesn't equal sales. But it is part of the overall marketing mix.

People seem to be getting so concerned about an image at a wedding seen by a handful of people. If the opportunity is there, take it. But don't expect much in return.

John G. Anderson
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In a sense, if the couple is close to you--why not give them both the art work for their program and the actual work of art as a gift? That way you could give them something significant--and there'd be as much or more exposure from that as you could desire. They would likely be thankful, and you would be talked about as a bonus--but that should not be the reason for giving. I think Jack White hit it square--if you want to give give because you want to give--if they offer to give credit--that's their generosity responding to yours. A gift is a give--not an exchange for credit.

Susan Holland
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What would you do if someone asked you to cater their wedding reception? Would you do it for free? (sometimes it's a matter of kindness.) If it were your business, catering, would you charge them? Would you charge them less? Would you put your business card out for people to take?

I am not a fan of Kincaid, and not envious of his "success" because he has cheapened himself in my eyes in the same way as sensational celebrities do with their exhibitionistic presentations.

If it screams "publicity" I draw away. That's my own response. If it is simply a presentation of a gift, it may be a quiet gift, or a public celebration. The chamber orchestra at a private party may not have a program, but the guests may get to mingle with the musicians and what could be better than that for recognition, intended or not.

How would I feel if my work were always displayed on a livingroom wall with a "commercial" beside it?

I say that the nature of the artist, and the presentation event have everything to do with how much attention is drawn to the provenance. And what might work for Jack White best may not work best for Brian Sherwin.

And we all know the are totally respectable people as well as savvy business people.

In other words, I would expect Chihuly to be showy and franklly the center of attention, while I would expect Andy Goldsworthy to be here today and maybe gone tomorrow, by design.



Jackie
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"And we all know there are totally respectable people as well as savvy business people."

I hope I read that wrongly LOL!

Susan Holland
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correction: "And we all know they (Jack and Brian) are totally respectable people as well as savvy business people."

Sorry folks...should have looked twice and published once.

Brian Sherwin
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Jeff -- With the funeral issue... this is the way I see it... you don't see casket companies giving caskets away for free. You don't see florists providing flowers for free. Some newspapers will charge extra depending on how long the obituary is.

So even in that situation (maybe I have a cold heart?) I don't see anything wrong with expecting basic attribution if someone asks permission to use an image without compensation. And if the artist desires -- I don't really see anything wrong with stating that compensation is needed. Obviously it all depends on the context.

Brian Sherwin
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Debra -- You said, "If they have a wedding website, that would also be an appropriate place for a link to your site."

Fantastic idea. I don't know how that one slipped by me... but thanks for mentioning it.

Brian Sherwin
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Jackie -- Exposure can equal sales though -- or at the least, spur interest. Technically we all utilize steps for exposure even if we do not realize it. Jack maintains a website... he reaches out to people on this blog and other spaces. That is a form of exposure.

You said, "People seem to be getting so concerned about an image at a wedding seen by a handful of people. If the opportunity is there, take it. But don't expect much in return."

I agree. My point in all of this is that if your artwork gains just one new admirer... it was worth doing. If the artist I spoke with gains just one person who really likes his work -- and tells others... it is good exposure for him... and cost him nothing.

Brian Sherwin
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John -- Even if offered as a gift I still think that proper credit is deserved... and I don't think the artist should be viewed as being heartless, if you will, for expecting proper credit. So if offered as a gift... I'm sure there is a tactful way to suggest how attribution should be handled.

Brian Sherwin
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Susan -- Thank you. :)

tom weinkle
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If your friends or acquaintances want to use your art for free without trying to help you in some way in return, not sure their really "friends". Giving the benefit of the doubt, most people are just a bit unaware of what's "the right thing to do" in terms of appreciating what the artist is donating. I like your ideas of giving credit, etc. There's nothing wrong with an artist deciding to do it as a gift, but if the motivation was about saving money on invites, it should be a win win for the couple and the artist.











 

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