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Client or Customer?

by Jack White on 5/16/2012 8:15:23 AM

This post is by Jack White, regular contributing writer for FineArtViews.  Jack has enjoyed a forty-one year career as a successful fulltime artist and author. He has written for Professional Artist Magazine for 14 years and has six art marketing books published. In 1976 Jack was named the Official Artist of Texas. He has mentored hundreds of artists around the world.  Jack authored six Art Marketing books. The first, “Mystery of Making It”, describes how he taught Mikki to paint and has sold over six million dollars worth of her art. You should submit an article and share your views as a guest author by clicking here. 

 

Which is better, a client or customer?

 

What should I use when I’m addressing the people who purchase my art? A lot depends on your attitude. If you see your career on the level of a lawyer, you will call them clients. If you are a person who is only interested in selling your craft, then you would probably use the word customer.

 

A physician calls us his patient, but in truth, if he is interested in our well-being, we are his clients. I think the word patient is impersonal, which most doctors are to those they treat. They refuse to get emotionally attached to the people they “see”. Today’s medicine is done with a stop watch. The average time a doctor spends with a patient is ten minutes per visit.

 

I went to one urologist for four years. He never remembered my name or needs. Each time, he reviewed my case on his laptop. Almost the entire time I was with him he was looking at his computer. I was talking to the top of his head. This year, I found a new doctor who remembers I want to be called Jack instead of my first name. He has total recall on my medical needs. He sits, looks at me and is actually interested in what I’m saying. After just one visit, he remembered I need an eligard shot for cancer and he took thirty minutes to make sure all of my needs were taken care of. I’m a client to him.

 

The first doctor’s main interest was to earn all the money he could by cramming as many patients as possible into a day; the second doctor is interested in my healing.

 

A customer is a person who purchases goods or services from another person or company.

 

A client is a person or group that uses the professional advice or services of a lawyer, accountant, architect or artist.

 

I think one of the main problems artists have is seeing themselves as professional.

 

I often explain why we don’t want to have company during the day. If we were doctors or lawyers, no one would stop by for coffee and a chat. They would respect our need for privacy. Yet people think nothing of dropping in an artist’s studio to spend the entire afternoon.

 

Other than the super stars of their profession, I maintain we earn on the same level as doctors and lawyer. We don’t spend our days talking on the phone. When neighbors drop in unexpectedly, we stand to talk, I’m careful to not offer them a seat. You may think this is rude, but our livelihood is dependent on production. It’s easy to waste two hours on the phone or listening to a drop in neighbor complain about the grasshoppers eating their tomatoes. After six in the evening, we welcome company. We discourage calls after 9:30 PM because we get in bed by 10:00. We have to be up early in the morning to “Go to work.”

 

If you don’t see yourself as a professional, others won’t either. When you say “I’m an artist”, do so with the same authority as your doctor. I’m artist Jack White. If I were a physician I’d say, “I’m Doctor Jack White.” Have pride in being an artist. If you make art, you are an artist. Once you pass the bar, you are an attorney. The title doesn’t denote how good we are. You can be an excellent doctor or a quack, but you still use the title. Let no one tell you that you are not an artist because you aren’t at the top yet. From now on you are an artist. Get rid of the titles emerging and beginning. Those are labels to put you down. Makes you sound less than others. All of us start as beginners and then emerge the remainder of our lives. No one ever learns all there is to know. We are always growing. There are snobs in the art world who love to put us down.

 

As an artist, you need to build a client base. You will have customers who buy your work. A customer has a want and we help them fulfill their perceived need. Typically a customer is someone who buys only once because you just happen to have what they want. Your goal is to turn them into clients.

 

I make the argument art is not a product people need. They need shoes, they need food, they need warm clothes for the winter. They want a new car or art. Last week I saw that Conn’s, an appliance store chain that’s only in Texas, was having a sale on HD televisions. We have a 47” flat screen but I got the wants for a larger screen. I went in looking for a 55” screen, but when I saw the 60” I had to have it. We didn’t need a bigger television, but I talked myself into needing the larger size. Mikki is so co-dependent she talked me into buying the large one along with a Blue Ray player. I’m equally as co-dependent on what she wants. The truth of the matter is she will enjoy the big screen as much as me when football season arrives. She is fanatic about football. Mikki screams at the television when the refs make a bad call.

 

Artists need to build a client base rather than a customer list. I know you will say I’m playing semantics with words, but not so. It’s an attitude. They are all customers, but a client is a business term for a person who returns again and again. Banks, beauty salons, doctors, lawyers and stock brokers all have clients. Food stores, gas stations, drug stores and clothing stores have customers. Unless you are in a tiny one gas station town you stop where ever you are when you need fuel. With my dialysis, I can’t go to just any doctor, I only have one; therefore, I’m his client.

 

The term client has a meaning of someone who is under the protection of another. My doctor is there to protect me. He is thinking of my best interests when he writes a prescription. Our CPA is our protector, we are her client. That’s why you have lawyer/client relations.

 

A few years ago, two women got in a bidding war over a Senkarik painting on eBay. The piece normally sells for $790 in the gallery. These two drove the bid up to $1,784 dollars. The final bid might be a little different, but this is close. Mikki said, “We can’t let her pay that much for a piece of art valued at $790.”

 

I suggested she call the winner. Naturally the lady was surprised to hear Mikki’s voice and shocked when she was told, “we are going to give you a $1,000 savings. We know you got excited in the bidding and paid too much.” This is what it means to treat your customers like clients. We protected her from making a mistake. Needless to say, she has become a big collector.

 

Treating your customers like clients means you won’t let them buy more than they can afford or pay too much. We control the gallery prices. If we didn’t, some galleries might mark the art up higher than we have them priced. We look out for our clients as if we were their doctor or lawyer.

 

When anyone buys a piece of art from Mikki we make them a Member of Team Senkarik. I grew up in sports and learned to win you need teamwork. My immediate thought when I began teaching Mikki to paint and market her work was to turn her customers into clients by making them members of her team.

 

This year’s San Antonio Spurs won the Western Conference Championship in the NBA. Many other teams had better players. Our stars are getting old, but no one passes the ball better. The players on the Spurs team didn’t care who got the shot, their goal was to win. I don’t know how deep they will go in the playoffs, but I do know they will reach much deeper than their talent level. Everyone on the team is looking out for each other. They treat each other as if they were clients.

 

Are you getting the picture? We live in a service orientated corporate world. The end use is always paramount in the decision making process of any major companies. The store we purchased the new television from called, asking us to judge the service we received from their salesperson. We could grade him one to five, with the higher number being best. I gave him a five because he pointed us to a sale they had just begun that day. He saved us $800. We would not have known without his pointing the sale out. He made us want to return to the store the next time we have a want.

 

In fast foods, the corporate office always thinks about clients, but those on the floor are constantly thinking of customer service. Corporate headquarters is concerned about us coming back; whereas the local restaurant just wants to make sure we have a good eating experience.

 

Galleries fall into the mistake of giving customer service rather than developing a client relationship. The gallery is looking for a satisfied customer, whereas the artist needs a client who continues to buy their art. The customer is the person who pays money in order to purchase our product, as is the client. Keep in mind “our client” is someone we accept the responsibility to insure they are protected.

 

A client emailed this week telling Mikki he had recommended her to a cruise line about having her art auctioned off on the ship. We thanked him abundantly, but told him we couldn’t in good faith sell through those types of auctions. The problem is many of those auctions are not honest. They mark things up so they can entice bidding. They tend to get the audience drunk so they bid more than planned. We cannot have Senkarik associated with such an auction. It was painful to tell our client we couldn’t take part in what we feel is a con game. He didn’t have a clue how they worked and thanked us for telling him.

 

I did some research on the two words. Customer is from the Middle English at the time of Chaucer. It refers to customs and the customs officer, a person who collects a fee on the passage of goods through a fixed point. Client has been used since Roman times. It was originally used to describe states or rulers that were clients of the Roman Empire. These clients were granted protection and trade in exchange for a vow of loyalty to the Empire.

 

Customer implies a short term economic relationship. A customer comes into a store, buys and then leaves. We are a customer of Red Lobster because Mikki forces me to take her there for the key lime pie. (smile)

 

Client has a professional sound. It means we are going to protect our buyers. Being a client has more prestige than being a customer. I realize many use the words interchangeably as if they were the same. If you look them up in the thesaurus they even appear the same. As artists, we need to make the distinction. The best advice I can give you is learn the difference. Calling a client a customer is saying they are not as important. Let me repeat, your client is under your protection and the customer is someone who pays money to buy your product or service, then they are gone. Artists teaching workshops can make those in attendance customers or clients. If they are a client, you will continue to be interested in their success long after the classes are over.

 

The bottom line is clients are forever while customers come and go. We have clients who have been buying Senkariks for years. Some may think you are sucking up to the customer if you show too much interest. They won’t think that if you show them your true interest is giving them the protection afforded a client. Clients are the most important aspect of your career. If you don’t have a client list, then begin today. One client is better than none.

 

I look at those of you who read my columns as clients. My only goal is to help you do better. I’m jealous of none and proud for all. I’m too old to envy others and smart enough to know that helps no one. I have made more mistakes than any of you reading FASO and will continue to do so until they bring the six black horses to carry my body away. I’m honored to serve my fellow artists.



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Marian Fortunati
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Reasonable.... The client is the one with whom you develop a relationship.... Aren't we all hoping that the client will become a COLLECTOR???

Or do you think there is a difference between a client and a collector? I'd like to think my clients would also be my collectors..... Maybe BECAUSE of the relationship as much as because of the art.

Marsha Hamby Savage
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Jack, just up my alley ... these thoughts on customers versus client. And, I like what Marian asked, is there a difference in the terms client and collector? I have so enjoyed everything you write, and I have shared this article on my Facebook page for my other artist friends to read (and my clients).

Thank you and I look forward to hearing about the "client" and "collector" difference in your eyes. By the way, your stories about what you and Mikki do in your business just drives many points home! Keep them coming.

Sheila Tansey
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Thank you Jack. Again your writing continues to stirke a cord for me. I truly enjoyed reading this article. Pointing out the literal differences between the words was very interesting too! And I like your stories about the ebay bidding and the cruise lines...such wonderful events to ponder upon. We as artists need to treat ourselves as professionals and treat our clients with respect (see...I'm calling them clients now!)

And yes, I too am curious about how you view the "collector vs client" differences that Marian mentioned...I guess I would view a collector as more of an "arms length" client...someone we don't have that personal relationship with, and whose motivation in art is just that...collecting..?? Just my opinion.
Thanks again for another insightful article.

jack white
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Marian,
Collectors are customers until we make them clients. It's our attitude toward them that decides who they are.
For instance a couple has purchased three pieces, one every couple of years. Until you adopt the attitude they are your clients they will remain good customers. We have to take them under our protective wing as if we were their lawyers and they they are our clients.
We don't have to be best friends to have a client relationship. Great lawyers may serve you well and never have dinner with us. Our goal is to think what is best for the collector. When we put them first they become clients and not just customers.
This is a fine line, but those who understand the difference between client and customer will thrive. You will build a dedicated base.

Jack



Howard Cooperman
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Jack, once again you've made me put my thinking cap on. As a gallery owner for more than 30 years, I've always referred to people that have purchased art from any of the 35 artists I represent, as clients.

Until today after reading your article, it never crossed my mind what the difference was between a customer and a client. I'm happy that I treat my clients as such, not only for my sake. I have 35 other reasons to do so.

This is the perfect reason for every business owner whether the shoe store or the artist to keep a client list in a database and use it. Learn about the clients that are purchasing your art. Ask questions about them, their children, what kind of work they do, etc. The more you know about them, the more you can engage them in conversation.

Taking an interst in clients, makes them feel much more important than simply treating them like a customer.

I'm blown away when I walk into a store I do business with and I'm greeted by my first name by the sales person.

It's the individual sales people that keep me coming back to the establishments I shop at because they do take an interest in me. I am loyal to those shops because they treat my like a client instead of a customer.

I make it a point to ask my clients about how their child is doing in college, how old their grand child is or are there any more on the way. They like me and continue to shop at my gallery because I do treat them as clients versus customers.

My guess is I never thought about the difference because it comes so naturally to me.

Thanks for continuing to write such informative, insightful articles Jack!



Jackie
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Long ago, there used to be a restaurant locally. I wasn't a regular as such but I'd go there every couple of months or so. Every time I was greeted with'Hello Jackie, good to see you again. Are you looking forward to the bobotie or the salmon this evening?"

How fantastic is that? They remembered my name AND my two favorite dishes. I felt like a client and not a customer. At that time, there were probably a dozen other restaurants within easy walking distance but you know which one I used to go to every time!

In my previous corporate life, we always referred to 'clients' because that implies a relationship. 'Customer' doesn't.

Ann Bailey
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Dear Jack,
So true, we all deserve to be treated as clients in any situation where we need the more-informed help from whomever we're dealing with. And no better reason to expect it from others than to give it yourself. I have some younger artists I teach in group lessons, and I've always been a loved-teacher... because I treat those kids like clients, not like "subjects". Thanks for putting it into words - I like this clear way to describe the process to other adults who ask me how I do it!

Sandy Askey-Adams
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Hello Jack:

Excellent post. Thank you.

I usually refer to those who have purchased my art work as clients, but I must admit at times, I wonder...should they be called customers or clients?

You well-answered that question. I will now confidently, without question, continue to refer to the wonderful people I have met along my art journey as clients.




Judy Palermo
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Gosh Jack, you're right, I will consider myself an artist, and not hedge nor feel unworthy about it. But I still won't refer to myself as one, because I've met too many boastful 'arteestes' who go on and on about themselves. I guess I don't want to get anywhere near like them. But your point does help one's mindset.

Jim Springett
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For the past 4 years my market is on ebay, and not in galleries, so based on your explanation of customer-client, the client is what we are striving for to help continue our sales and strengthen our Brand name. Can you list some of the more effective ways to work with ebay customers to help make them a client for more repeat business?Thank you.

Jim Springett-wildlife painter

jack white
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Judy,
You are an artist. That's a fact. That is not bragging. If you were a nurse, you would tell people I'm a nurse. If you taught you would tell people you are a teacher.
You are an artist. You don't say what level. I'm an artist. I may not be a super star but I proudly say I'm an artist.
Stand tall and be proud to tell the world, you are an artist. That's a fact not bragging.
Jack

Patrice Federspiel
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Thank you Jack! I've struggled with the conundrum of what to call my clients. Now that I understand the difference, my struggle ends.
Mahalo, Patrice

Kathy Chin
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Hi Jack,

Great post and something I've been wondering about for a long time. Wasn't sure which term to use as many retail stores say "our customers." Thanks to you, will now call them clients instead of customers.

BTW, thanks to the new "routine" (which involves reading a certain book before a selling event,) had my best ever 2-day outdoor show this past weekend! Thank you very much for writing that certain book!!!!

David Ralston
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No no and um no, really can not believe that drug out that long and thats all ya said over and over. Yes Jack your awesome and that is why I wasted my time reading this, buttttttt no. I dont like to disagre with such a wise and seasoned artist but some of us artist do have independent thought. Lots wrong with things these days is too many labels and catagories. Yes ya want to take care of the people who pay for your product and service common sense there. Customer is inpersonal true and so is calling us fellow artist your client. Sorry but if ya see artist that way thats a huge mistake when sticking together is hard enough to accomplish ya think we are clients hahahaha um no and wont be. We should not be considered as the same as lawyers and others that have done so much harm in this world and neither should the people that support us.

jack white
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Jimmy,
eBay is very impersonal until you make it personal. You know my story of inventing an eBay artist and doing very well with his art. You are the only one on FASO who knows his name. I want to keep it that way. One day I'll tell those eBay winners they own a Jack White, which will be very valuable. You saw some of his work sell for $400 and $500. You saw his over 750 stars.

I wrote in my new book Mystique of Marketing Art on eBay what he did to be successful. I teach about selling on eBay in the new book. I even mention you.

Strangers buy our eBay stuff. It's up to us to convert these customers into clients. One thing I did was to make the relationship personal. One collector loved to read. Out of the blue I'd mail him a book from time to time. I sent him a dozen books over they years. He owns over 50 pieces of my art. I took time to write them personal letters about their health issues. They would mention for me not to ship the art for two weeks, because they were having an operation. I made a notation on my calendar and in a month or so I wrote them a nice letter.
One guy lost his dog. He had won a dozen of so paintings. I asked him to email me an image. I did him a portrait of his dog and mailed it as a free gift.
One guy who owned several paintings wrote he was having some money problems. I shipped him the art and said take your time. He paid and ended up doing a lot of bidding.
An elderly man lost his wife. He asked my eBay guy to do a portrait of her. He could only afford a 12x9...I did a 20x16 at no extra cost. Thats how you treat a client.
I wrote snail mail notes at least three times a year to the entire mailing list.
A lady from NC was backing a conservative in a state race. When I saw her candidate won I wrote her a letter. She will be happy this year because NC will go Republican.
One couple was going to a Glenn Beck in DC. I mailed them a pair of Glenn Beck caps I won in a raffle. This showed them I was interested in them as people, not bidders.
I got to know these people who were winning bids. I wrote and asked them questions. I was interested in what they did and who they were.

This is how you turn customers into clients. Think about them as people you need to protect.

Jack

Rossana Currie
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Thank you Jack. I am new in this career and your articles are always very interesting and educative for me. I appreciate them a lot!
Rossana

David Ralston
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Supporters are people not just a paycheck, they support us with ways more then just money and if dollar signs is all ya see ya got problems already. If I never make a sale I will still be a artist and have many artist and People support my work. If ya have a boundaries and labels for people then personal and from the heart it will never be.

Sandra Reeves Cutrer
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Jack,
Sometimes your column makes me laugh, sometimes I am over here nodding my head, in agreement with you, sometimes I find myself drifting off with one our your ideas, trying to give it some deeper thought, before I go on to your next sentence or idea. Today, I was near tears, thinking of all that you do to share your great knowledge- despite your health problems and limited time away from your work.

God bless and thanks again for all of your wisdom and kindness!

Your client,
Sandra


jim springett
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Thanks Jack, good suggestions and your list shows many ways to stay more in tune and communicate with those that love our work. Sort of do unto others as you'd want done unto you and yes I think caring for others is the key here. In each of your suggestions you helped someone and did more than was asked or required. Thank you.

Jim Springett-wildlife painter

David Ralston
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Do unto others exactly ya dont call fellow artist clients, sorry. Think of me as ya will cause ya will anyway. Supporters,fans whatever ya wanna label it as ya treat them like family or closer. There are some I dont support for the reason of how they treat their fans. They are what make you bigger then what you are, and as many have experienced in fame, no matter what ya have or how big ya may be its how ya treat people that keep them supporting you no matter what. And yes we all have limited time as the other so every second wasted is that wasted nonreturnable. So on to productive things. Peace

Adriana Guidi
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Thank you Jack so SO much! I thought I was the only one who hates that word "patient"! Ugh! It just seems so derogatory to me. I also want to thank you for your thoughts on "client" vs."customer"."Client" seems very uplifting compared with"customer".Thank you again Jack,and as always I look forward to your newsletters.
Regards,
Adriana Guidi

Esther J. Williams
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Jack, you helped me today, really, truly helped me when I needed it. I am going to go through my records of former customers and make that list. The ones who purchased several paintings are going to get a phone call of appreciation and a "How are ya?"
I have been trying too hard to contact people who might become a new customer with no good results. Customers who purchase once and seem to disappear into the folds of life are many. So, I need to focus on who took that chance to invest in me before and just thank them. I have been pretty down in the dumps and I think this will lift my spirits to touch base with my 'clients' that I have in my pocket and heart.
Thanks for being here today Jack, you saved me. A big hug for you again! Mikki and you are gems!


jim springett
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HI Jack,

As I was sitting here, doing some oil painting, then more thinking about today's blog, so many of the ebay ideas you suggest this morning can be used in our local communities too. I have had only so many on my newsletter list, and these have been primarily my ebay clients, yet in our community I have not spent the time to include many of the wonderful people that I know, who too, might enjoy my painting. The KISS, keep it sweet and simple is best used so not getting too carried away with communications. Last month I bought some post cards to sell at my shows, and I'll work on this week, a list of those who I can include on my overall list, and so I can send a post card making more personal because I know them and write about things they enjoy. Thanks again for sparking some neat ideas to help improve upon ways to communicate with new clients.
JIm Springett-wildlife painter

jack white
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David,
It's clear you have not read any of my seven art marketing books. Email me and I'll send you a free copy of Mystery of Making IT. jack@jackwhiteartist.com.

This book will teach you how to be successful. I take you step-by-step how to earn money with your art. It's no sin to be paid for the art we make.

I have never said we didn't need the support of others, family and friends. It's nice when you get the same support from those who buy our work. I wrote the article so you can improve your collector/artist relations.

One thing I shout out is if you make art you are an artist. To me there are no beginners, emerging and any such label. We are artist is we make art. None of my writings label people. I was raised dirt poor, but today I'm comfortable with the mega rich or the poorest of the poor. People are people. We are all children of God.

I don't write material for artists not interested in not earning money. I target all I write to those interested in earning money from the art they make. You don't have to earn money to be an artist, but I have nothing to offer art for arts sake. I started earning money with my art the first year. I was 38 years old and sold $43,000 worth of my art the first year. I don't know how not to earn money. Does that make me a bad guy? No it makes me a wise businessman.

I know several lawyers that are stand up people. One of my dear friends is a wonderful lawyer. You can't call all lawyers bad because of a few rotten apples. There are a lot of snobs in the art world. My personal kidney doctor is dirt common, but he is one of the most brilliant man I've ever known. I would mind offering him a bowl of pinto beans and cornbread.

Jack


jack white
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Esther,
Most of us forget the importance of making a fuss over those who continue to support us.
I love you are going to call them. You are a wise woman. I think emails are so cold and impersonal.
Remember we make all new buyers a Member of Team Senkarik. The first thing we do is write them a handwritten note, welcoming them to the team.
As you know young people today don't write handwritten notes.
Esther, if you find yourself getting down in the dumps, drop me an email. I can call and give you an emotional lift. We are never too busy to help our fellow artists.
Here is a big Texas Hug, Jack
jack@jackwhiteartist.com

jack white
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Rossana,
Welcome to our world. Email me and I'll send you a free copy of my first book. This will give you some sound information to jump start your career.

Jack
jack@jackwhiteartist.com

David Ralston
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Jack, Thats funny " its clear I haven't read your book" thanks for judging what ya dont know, ya change my whole view of ya. By the way thats a kind offer but I'm not your client as ya plainly called us your fellow artist. And apparently ya misunderstood what I was saying. And yes we all are interested in money thats beside the point, but hasnt gone to my head. Ya give this Tx residents a discouragement by misunderstanding.

jack white
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Jackie,
We had to have our teeth cleaned. When you get my age you are thrilled to have teeth to clean.(smile). I hate going with Mikki. She has perfect teeth. I can hear them bragging on her. She floses and all the right stuff. The begin chewing on me the moment I sit down and continue long after Mikki is finished.
The most successful restaurant man I've ever known ran a huge steak house in Austin. I went one time, and he stopped out our table. I returned a month later and he met me at the door, reaching out his hand saying, "Jack it's good to see you again." Over time we became friends, but he impressed me that day. I saw then why there was a line waiting to get in.
His name was Jack Ray and he was from Hope AK, grew up with Bill Clinton. He had a better give of gab than Bill.
Jack

Jackie
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I love the way you surround your messages in your stories Jack. I hope that you're writing another book - your autobiography!

On your advice, Andy and I ordered some note cards. They have our artwork on the front and our logo and website details on the back. We left the insides blank so that we could use them as thank you cards, birthday cards, whatever we want.

You also suggested using colored envelopes so we got those too. It was an investment that we couldn't really afford right now but [as my dad would say] oh boy! The few people we have sent them to have been genuinely astonished to receive a handwritten card in a personally addressed envelope. Most people only get that on their birthday - if they're lucky.

So I can't really complain about the 'investment' because I'm sure that this is just the start and that people will definitely remember us because of it.

And that's just one tiny part of what you've taught me over just a few short weeks. Thank you!

jack white
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David,
I don't know if you are implying my success has gone to my head. If you are then you are dead wrong. I came from a family that couldn't read or write. They were so deep in poverty the poor people call us poor. I was kept out of school in the 3rd grade to pick cotton. By the 10th grade I was living on my own in a school gym. My dad went to prison when I was one and mother married 9 times. I never lived with her. I earned what success I've had. No one even gave me a leg up. That's why I spend the time helping others. I know how it is to be alone with no one to ask.

I'm a 7th generation Texan and was raised on a working ranch. I don't know any Texans that talk with that much slang. (smile) I drag my words but I don't write like that. I suspect you don't talk that way either.

You are right, you are not my client. Clients are those that spend their money to own our art.

Artist are on the same level as we are.

Email me and I'll be happy to give you a free copy. I'm confident you will learn a lot.
Jack

David Ralston
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I can tell you're a Texan and have wasted enough time trying to get you to see my point. Peace

Jackie
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David,

I just looked at your website. I'd be interested to know how you are doing with your Cafe Press store? For many years, I used Cafe Press for clients - mouse mats, mugs and so forth to extend their brand.

Would you recommend Cafe Press for artists? I wouldn't, personally, but I'd love to hear your views.

Thank you!

Donald Fox
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Aside from being a good storyteller and a willing teacher, you have a level of patience in responding to others that is admirable. Thanks for all you do.

David Ralston
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Its like a sheep farm in here and all of you are jumpin off a cliff for a guy that calls you clients. Interesting artist clones what the world coming to.

George De Chiara
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I've struggled with what to call the people who buy my work, but this article and the comments on it really helped me clarify my thoughts.

One question Jack, how did you find out all that information about your clients on ebay? Did you do it all through hand written notes? Okay, that's 2 questions... Thanks!


Sue Betanzos
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Jack, your article really cleared a few things for me. I have to agree with Esther, I am in a similar situation. Despite working hard to get my work out there and even having an article in this month's major magazine my sales are kind of slow.

I know my work is good and my prices are very reasonable.
After reading this article I am also going to go back over my client list. When I was in the mural business I used to be great at courting the client and always closed the sales.

O.k. - step one: contact all those super kind people who purchases my work to thank them, see how they are doing. Get back to what worked so well.

Thanks again for your perspective!

Jackie
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David,

I think that the point is that Jack, apart from writing great and useful articles, responds to questions that the 'sheep' ask him.

I wonder if you could answer the question I asked you above? As I said, I've used Cafe Press in the past for clients. Not everyone's art would translate to mugs and t-shirts though. I don't think ours would. Part of me thinks that I wouldn't want to.

That part of me feels that it would be 'degrading' our artwork. Maybe I'm being too snooty? Another part of me thinks that if selling items like those pays the weekly grocery bill, then it might be worth thinking about.

We have a couple of t-shirts with the logo of our major project but those are for our personal use. Furthermore I'm not sure that anyone would want to buy them!

I'd like your opinion. Thanks!


Marsha Hamby Savage
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Jackie, I have used CafePress for mugs, t-shirts, mouse pads, etc. Mostly I am doing it for PR... as gifts... not really to sell them. They have always done a great job.

jack white
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George,
I always wrote a thank you note a few days after they won. If they had not bid in a few weeks, I'd email telling them I missed their bidding. Anything became an excuse to contact them. Once they responded I would email asking about what they did.
One girl said she raised horses. I followed with, "What breed?" She was in Wyoming, which gave me an excuse to ask what did she do to protect them during the winter.
One was a doctor from San Diego. I asked his practice. He was a kidney doctor, which opened the door to talk about my dialysis.
I'm conservative and if they wrote me in response to my blog I began a political conversation.
I'd Google their area and see who was running. Then I'd write, "Are you going to be able to beat that Democrat Sam Jones?" The moment they realized I knew about their race, they became chatter boxes.

One couple sent me a Sarah Palin cap.

I worked hard to make those who won friends. I did so many different things to connect with them. I made notes on my calender. I knew they were going on a cruise in six months. A few weeks before they left I wrote them some tips for their trip.
This let them know I was interested in them.
One lady was bidding and I knew she was struggling. I told her not to bid. She needed the money for food. She thanked me. I sent her a free painting.
We have to respect our clients.
There are lots of ways to get to know the folks who bid. You just have to make an effort.
I recall one time two got in a bidding war. I wrote the one that lost offering to paint him something similar. He was thrilled.
Jack

jack white
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David,

I don't call artists clients. I call clients, clients. I call artists friends.

My only goal is to see other artists be the best they can be. In my 42 years as an artist I'm made a lot of mistakes. I want to help other bypass the things I've done wrong.

www.jackwhiteartist.com


Sandy Askey-Adams
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Hello Jack:

Thank you for being who you are. I appreciate all you do in reaching out and sharing with other artists.

I would imagine in 42 years, you have had to deal with all kind of personalities.

Best to you and and Mikki.

Now where the heck is that barn and pasture? Baaaaaaa. (sorry, I couldn't resist)

Sandy

David Ralston
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Jack I quote from this very article hello "I look at those of you who read my columns as clients. My only goal is to help you do better. I'm jealous of none and proud for all.". And to you snobby uptight sheep I guess you are better then Monet Screaming Man and The Stary Night that has been sold on many merchandise products. And also many other greats that thought outside the snootty little selfcentered box like myself so to degrade yourself with that remark doesnt hardly deserve my comment. But yes people love it that ART is affordable in many ways other than billion dollar canvas so educate yourself on more than stuckup marketing from someone that denies his own rambling comment to his snobby sheep.

Marsha Hamby Savage
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Jack, your articles and comments are appreciated by most of us. Please do keep them coming ... and I think most of us know how to look at what is said, take from it what we need, and then go on our own path to where ever we are trying to go. And, I know for me, that path is every changing ... the goals are somewhat the same, but the path can and usually changes with the times and my abilities!

David Ralston
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Im really amazed as I thought us artist thought differently and not snotty selfcentered people that dont think outside the box. Whatever it takes to market art is what ya should do and yea makes Pr a breeze so learn a few things and open your mind its a big world in case you didnt know. Peace out

Clint Watson
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Interesting take on the "client" vs. "customer" semantic.

I always thought about it like this:

Customers control the relationship and clients are "controlled" by the relationship.

If I walk into a store, I may ask for advice, by I'm generally going to decide what I want to purchase and make the decisions on how to proceed. I'm the customer and the other party generally will do whatever it is I wish.

When I hire a lawyer, I'm the client. The field is so specialized, I can't make my own decisions and tell the lawyer what to do. The lawyer "controls" me, and generally tells me what to do (and when to write the checks). I'm the client. In fact, lawyers even talk about establishing "client control."

If an artist thinks about his/her customers as "clients" then the artist must establish a leadership role in the relationship and be showing the client would they "should" do. Which I think is along the lines of what Jack is suggesting.



David Ralston
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All very true. I actually work in sales and know all about it. Always have been in a position where you must understand what it means to make your contact with people in a money exchanging situation feel like it's the most importan thing at that moment and beyond. Going out of your way and thinking outside the box is what it takes combined with aged technique of public relations. Thanks everyone for reminding me that the whole world don't think outside the mainstream flow makes it easier for those that do.

Jackie
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Thanks Marsha! That's a great idea to use Cafe Press products for PR. If a collector (client!) has just bought an artwork, it would be great to let them have a tiny version - maybe on a keychain - that other people would see. I can imagine that it would start some interesting conversations that could lead to new clients. Thanks for the idea!

Marsha Hamby Savage
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And, if you know they like coffee ... or hot chocolate ... send them a mug. I love my coffee mug. I also like the idea of a keychain... had not thought about that one!

David Ralston
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Now you get the idea lol thanks for doubting my techniques.

George De Chiara
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Thanks Jack! I must do more to keep in contact with my winner bidders. Thanks for the ideas on how to do that.



Jackie
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Marsha,

I think my logic was that if the image is on a keychain other people are more likely to see it and (hopefully) comment on it. But a coffee mug is a great idea - something the client uses every day and associates with a delicious drink. Positive is good!

David,

What I was asking you about was the wisdom of selling Cafe Press items on an artist's website. A lot of the items they produce are poor quality, especially for the money. (Those dreadful clocks, for example). But what I have been trying to get to know from you is whether or not you sell them. Do they create a substantial income? I am trying to balance having pretty tacky (IMHO) products on a website on the one hand, with an income on the other.

And if you want to call me snooty or snobby again, that's fine. I've been called much worse :)

Sharon Orella
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Thanks for another great bit of Info Jack. I read your first book a few years ago and am still slowly incorporating it. Your comments are a good reminder to me to keep track and follow up with clients on a regular basis. I am thinking the world needs you for a lot longer so your gonna have to live to be at least 120 years old...



Jackie
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Double amen!

David, I really would like you to answer my question! As you 'actually work in sales' you appreciate the value of all opportunities. You know that gallery owners post here^. You understand the value of referrals and that any of us here could be a bird dog for you and your art. You know that when a salesperson is asked a question, it's an opportunity.

Thank you.

David Ralston
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Totally appolagize Im at work so excusable Id hope.

Theresa Laird
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Thank you Jack for a very interesting article on client vs.customer.The difference between the two isn't something I would consciously think about, but it could make a huge difference in my attitude when I think about selling. Your comment about the title artist is also interesting.I think we've been brainwashed into thinking that to call yourself an artist is to assume airs. What nonsense!

David Ralston
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Jackie, sorry for the delay. My honest profesional opinion and comment is this, I am not in the position to buy everything they sell to examine them and stamp my approval on them. Although I have ordered some things and seen stuff from my store others have purchased I have been very pleased with the quality of the products. I also did my research before I even considered having my art on their products and was mostly pleased, so I took a chance. I myself have very high standards so the few quality issues I have experienced, I was very satisfied with excellent customer service and total replacement without even returning the original without any problem. As far as finacial anythings possible if you do it right. I have recommended them lots and havent had anything discourage me or make me dismantle my store yet. I also have researched other places, a few anyway and cafepress is still cheaper for selling and uploading images so have stuck with it so far. Another plus is you pick what merchandise you sell, its totally up to you and with new products recently added its not bad. I dont have a Kinkade sweat shop so It works out for me and I think its a great art collectable and gift idea / marketing way to go no matter how you use it. High standards for art is my passion and my part they just make the product to display my work in a reasonably price for those who want art in a variety of ways. If you desire more information I'll be available by email naturally at: davidralston@ralstonartanddesign.com

David Ralston
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Jackie, sorry for the delay. My honest profesional opinion and comment is this, I am not in the position to buy everything they sell to examine them and stamp my approval on them. Although I have ordered some things and seen stuff from my store others have purchased I have been very pleased with the quality of the products. I also did my research before I even considered having my art on their products and was mostly pleased, so I took a chance. I myself have very high standards so the few quality issues I have experienced, I was very satisfied with excellent customer service and total replacement without even returning the original without any problem. As far as finacial anythings possible if you do it right. I have recommended them lots and havent had anything discourage me or make me dismantle my store yet. I also have researched other places, a few anyway and cafepress is still cheaper for selling and uploading images so have stuck with it so far. Another plus is you pick what merchandise you sell, its totally up to you and with new products recently added its not bad. I dont have a Kinkade sweat shop so It works out for me and I think its a great art collectable and gift idea / marketing way to go no matter how you use it. High standards for art is my passion and my part they just make the product to display my work in a reasonably price for those who want art in a variety of ways. If you desire more information I'll be available by email naturally at: davidralston@ralstonartanddesign.com

Jackie
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Hi David, and thank you for your reply. Like you, I like the way that Cafe Press handle everything such as returns, shipping and so on. I find that the quality differs from product to product. Some are great quality, the t-shirts are okay-quality and the clock is awful :)

It's an interesting point you make about the opportunity for people to buy art in different ways. A few years ago we had a client who was a relatively well-known artist. He was launching a set of products which featured his art - mostly good quality china. They looked very good indeed.

As you say, it's a good marketing idea.

Connie McCoy
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Jack,
Once again I felt your influence when meeting with a new "client' yesterday while receiving a commission. I had the attitude of a "Professional Artist" and was confident with him.
Thank you for all of your advice.
Connie McCoy

Connie McCoy
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Jack,
Once again I felt your influence when meeting with a new "client' yesterday while receiving a commission. I had the attitude of a "Professional Artist" and was confident with him.
Thank you for all of your advice.
Connie McCoy

Katherine Ernst
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Dear Jack,
Aways look forward to your posts. Every one is is inspiring and informative. We all need to be remined that simple common sense and generosity works.
Thank you so much for sharing your stories and eagerly await the next one.
Katherine Ernst

Carol Schmauder
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Wonderful article, Jack, with much food for thought. I once designed hand painted needlepoint canvases for an exclusive shop in Carmel, California. One of the designers said she didn't consider herself an "artist" because her canvases were needlepoint canvases. I always felt she was demeaning herself. Every bit of thought, planning, and emotion went into her creations that she might have put in a painting. Albeit there were certain things that needed to be left out of a needlepoint piece because they couldn't be as complex as some paintings get, but many of them were, indeed, works of art.










 

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