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Should You Stretch Your Own Canvas?

by Keith Bond on 1/23/2012 9:26:09 AM

This article is by Keith Bond, Regular contributing writer for FineArtViews.  You should submit an article and share your views as a guest author by clicking here.

 

 

I often get questions regarding whether to purchase or prepare your own canvas.  The truth is there are pros and cons of each.  Even still, you will save a lot of money if you learn how to prepare your own canvas.

 

Stretched Canvas

 

Things to consider when weighing the pros and cons to pre-stretched canvas vs. stretching your own:

 

  1. Cost – It is usually more economical to stretch your own – comparing, of course, the same grade canvas.  Over time, you will save a lot of money.  The caveat is that you have to buy in bulk, which means more up-front costs. 
  2. Space – Do you have more space to store pre-stretched canvases, or space to spread out and stretch your own?
  3. Tools – You will need a few tools to stretch your own – staple gun, canvas pliers, etc.  They don’t cost too much.
  4. Ability – There’s a learning curve to stretching your own canvas.  It isn’t too hard, but it isn’t for everyone, either.  Most of you should be able to learn, though.
  5. Quality – If you want a high quality, oil primed linen canvas, there aren’t very many pre-stretched options.  The few available are quite expensive.  Quality of pre-stretched cotton canvases varies a lot.  Many pre-stretched canvases sag or are puckered and require tightening.  Some of the more expensive pre-stretched canvases are very good quality.  As for stretching your own, your ability to learn will determine the quality of the stretching.  As for the canvas itself, there are more options in regard to quality if you purchase by the roll and stretch your own.
  6. Versatility – As mentioned, you have more options when you stretch your own – from canvas size to the type/texture/weight/quality/weave/primer of the canvas you use.  Sometimes the surface you prefer to paint on isn’t available in pre-stretched. 
  7. Time – How valuable is your time?  It does take time to stretch a canvas.  Do the savings justify the time or not?  That depends upon the quality canvas you are using.  The higher the quality materials, the more justified you are in spending the time to stretch.  If you buy the lowest grade canvas, then it may not be worth your time to do the labor.  The more you stretch canvas, the faster you will get.

 

 

Mounted Canvas Panels

 

Overall, the same considerations apply to mounting your own canvas to panels vs. purchasing pre-mounted canvas panels.  There are a few differences, though.

 

Quality – High quality linen panels, which have been professionally mounted with archival glues, are readily available through several sources.  It’s easier to find quality panels than it is to find quality pre-stretched canvases – especially if you want linen. 

Ability – it takes longer to learn to mount your own panels.  For a while, the quality might be lower until you get the hang of it. 

Time – it takes longer to mount than to stretch. 

Tools – if you mount to wooden panels or Masonite, you will need to invest in a table saw – or have someone cut them for you.  If you mount to Gatorboard [1], all you need is a utility knife.

 

Even with these added considerations, it is often more economical to mount your own if you have the inclination to learn.

 

In short, whether you want mounted or stretched canvas, there are pros and cons between purchasing them already made and making your own.  I prefer to prepare my own.  I go through so much canvas that I save a lot of money by doing my own.  I prefer oil primed linen over acrylic primed cotton.  I like the ability to prepare a canvas any size I need – even odd sizes – whenever needed.  I stretched for years, only mounting the small pieces.  I now mount the larger sizes as well (up to 40 inches by 60 inches), and only stretch when the canvas size is too large to make mounting practical.

 

I won’t go into how to do it in this article.  A quick Google search will result in several tutorials about both mounting and stretching your canvas.

 

Best Wishes,

Keith Bond

 

[1] Gatorboard is an extremely hard, rigid foam board.  It is still lightweight, but has wood rosin liner instead of paper lining.  Don’t use regular foam board, as the glue dries, the foam board will warp.

 



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Sharon Weaver
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Although I know many artists stretch their own canvas, I have never done it. With one of your considerations being space, which I have very little, I will probably not try. Besides cost considerations, any thoughts on how much better the quality can be?

Susan Holland
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There is nothing more beautiful than a "from scratch" stretched canvas done properly. Tyler School of Fine Arts in Philadelphia (Temple U) taught its students Science of Painting, and we learned to do it from scratch. And we combined the ingredients and "cooked" our own ground which we applied in coats, sanding between coats, and ending up with the most fabulous surface to paint on.

If anyone spends the time to learn this, they will relish a properly prepared canvas done by themselves...it's a personal thing, like mixing your own paints, and applying your own inventions to your paint. Personal, and unreproduceable!

If you want a trademark that will not get pirated, stretch your own canvas. Each is a unique product.

Respectfully, Susan

jack white
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We have a canvas maker that makes our cheaper than we can buy the stretcher bars. The company makes canvases for. Texas Art Supply, Michael's and Hobby Lobby. I started with them 30 years ago when they were working in a garage. Today they are a big company, but still sell to us and our artist friend wholesale.

Sunbelt Mfg in Longview, TX. If artists will tell Pat I suggested they call, you can buy from them. They made a 6'x9 canvas for Mikki last year.

We use gallery wrap for Mikki and they make them all sizes. Much cheaper than an artist can do them at home. Much cheaper.
Jack

Keith Bond
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Sharon,

How much better the quality really can be depends upon 2 factors - the materials you use and how well you can learn the craft. You can purchase higher quality canvas in rolls and stretch yourself and still spend less money than pre-stretched canvas of a lower grade. So in that sence, you get better quality for less money. As for your abilities - it really isn't that hard to learn. If you have the ability to learn then you can control the taughtness and tension. Most of the lower end pre-stretched have issues with even tension. In short, it doesn't take much to get better results when you learn to stretch your own.

Keith Bond
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Sharon,

One more comment about space. When I first was starting out, my studio was a 10 x 10 ft spare bedroom. I stretched my canvas on my living room floor. You can find space if you look for it.

Keith Bond
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Susan,

It is true that you can create a fabulous surface if you make your own ground and prime your own canvas. I've only done it a couple of times. Commercially primed canvas suits my needs, though. I admire those who do it all. I have a good friend who does. I think the benefit is having a surface that meets your personal needs that you can control perfectly and that isn't available commercially. Thanks for sharing.

Theresa Bayer
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When I was young, and my hands were strong
I could stretch and staple all day long.
Stretch and staple, and gesso too
A fine white canvas, bouncy and new.
Now that I'm old, with hands less agile
I baby my joints, because they are fragile.
Pre-stretched canvas is what I obtain
In order to paint without any pain.
It could be resolved with a different slant:
Create your own panels, if stretch 'em you can't.

Kim
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I honestly love stretching and preparing my own canvases. I had a hard time finding commercially produced canvases that I liked, so the only way to get what I wanted was to do my own. It wasn't difficult, and I can stretch several in about an hour or so. The surface prep takes longer of course, but even so it is so worth it to have exactly what I want. There are times over the winter when the weather makes it impossible to do any canvas stretching (I work on a table outside, where I have space and access to a compressor that makes stapling very easy), so I use commercially prepared canvases then.

Ann
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I've found that one of the biggest benefits of stretching canvas and mounting canvas on boards is the fact that I feel freer to experiment without the worry of wasting a lot of money! I paint on a nearly daily basis, so I use canvas sheets to paint. I then post the painting for sale, and if it sells, I affix it to precut hardboard from Dick Blick, or stretch it. If no one is interested in buying it, I leave it "as is", with no further investment of time, money or effort!

Esther J. Williams
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Keith, I stretched my own canvases for a few years and preferred it over store bought because of the economical saving and the quality it lent to the artwork. I bought raw linen from Dick Blick and coated it myself with fine layers of gesso and sanded it smooth. You are right about the quality of the canvas or linen needs to be high. I just sanded a stretched linen artwork that was a workstudy so I could repaint over it. The web and weave was so loose that it dipped in the middle of the stretcher bars. I will have to restretch it before I paint on it again. The polish linen will do that, it might be better to mount it on board instead. In Kevin MacPherson`s first book he explains how to make mounted canvas or linen panels. I used his technique for years. But I had odd sized antique frames so I also wanted to make custom stretched canvases to fit in them. Some are such an odd size that they do not make stretcher bars in half inch increments, so I would make the panels.

After a few years, I began to get pain in my hands and wrists, I have been buying ready made panels and canvases from art stores to make life easier on me. I am getting arthritic with older age. A local art store told me if I ever needed a custom size they will stretch it for me. I have a seven foot long, 150 year old church, oak window frame that will need a custom canvas someday. I still admire hand made linen canvases to paint on.

Betty Pieper
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It's odd that once you've done something the kinesthetic memory stays with you. As I read your article, Keith, I thought that I'd get a cramp in my hand and I wasn't sure why I thought so. (Forgetting isn't all bad.) I haven't stretched in years now, but then I saw some of the other artists allude to the wrists and joint issues and I remembered. I guess I'll stick to some of the resources you all suggested since sooner or later I'll yearn for some odd size, heavy linen, and an outsize stretcher made of redwood - and I'll get someone ELSE to do it.

Diana Moses Botkin
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I've built my own stretcher frames and stretched my own canvases through the years, from small to huge, using acrylic primer, or traditional skin glue and oil priming.

As Theresa expressed so well above, aging hands just don't do the job as painlessly as young ones.

One of the big considerations for me about using commercially prepared canvases is the stretcher bars. Especially if the canvas is not stretched tightly, the stretcher frame causes problems when painting, as the canvas hits them as the paint is applied, making a line where the bars are beneath the canvas.

When making my own I made sure there was enough of a raised edge on the stretcher bars to avoid this (plus I stretched the canvas good and tight). This meant I cut my own stretcher bars with a beveled edge. Time spent at the lumber yard simply finding wood not warped or knotty with a tight grain (to avoid splintering) was the first step in the process.

Back when I started doing this, redwood was my preferred stretcher bar material. It doesn't bleed sap like pine does and it is lightweight and strong. It was easy to find and not too expensive, even for a college student over 40 years ago. This is not the case anymore, though.

Margie Guyot
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Maybe if I knew how to stretch my own gallery-wrapped canvas, I might do my own. I've switched to gallery-wrapped because if I carry the painting around to the sides, I can avoid having to buy a frame. The galleries here seem to like this. I buy the heavy-duty, gallery-wrapped, 15 oz. stretched canvas online and have been pretty happy with it. The supposed "all media", lightweight stretched canvas I would NOT recommend because of warping and skewing.

Debra Heard
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I've just started getting back into oil painting. In college years ago I did stretch my own canvas. I have been reading a lot about unprimed gesso boards to paint on. Are they just as good?

Debra Heard
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I meant to say masonite boards!

Kim
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Very well said, Theresa! clap-clap-clap!

Filomena Booth
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I've been stretching my own canvas since I was in college...a very long time ago. It's very easy to do and I actually find it enjoyable. I like to order the deep heavy duty bars and do a gallery wrap. I've gotten so that I can stretch a large canvas in less time than it takes to go to the store or online to order a new one. If you've never tried it, it's certainly worth the time and effort to learn how!

Steven Long
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I have just started making my own stretcher bars and stretching the canvas. It is true the first few take awhile longer, but you learn a few tricks that make the work easier. There is a very huge feeling of satifaction when a piece is completed that you created all of it....

Jim Springett
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Hi Keith,

Great article for all artists, the question to make or buy ready made canvas, was made a lot easier for me a couple of years ago. My friend and master artist, Jack White shared a good USA resource for prestretched canvas. I have used this company's product for over two years and not had one quality complaint from over 60 of my ebay customers, using this supplier.

Company Name: Sunbelt Manufacturing Company
Location: Longview,Texas, USA
Local Phone: 1-903-297-8103
Toll Free: 1-800-333-8412

Products: Stretcher bar strips, double primed canvas(for
those who want to make own canvas)
Many sizes, prestretched canvas on 1 1/2" x3/4" stretcher
strips
Aluminum squeegee to apply gesso, rubber in many durometers.
Gallery wrap canvas, many popular sizes, will custom make to your spec.

If you want here is the website http://sunbeltmfg.com/index/
www.sunbeltymfg.com

If you call, ask for Pat, owner/operator and say Jim Springett shared information on their canvas products and ask for current pricing and product information.

I have worked with Pat over the past few years and his company can now staple the canvas on the back of the stretcher strip, not on the side, because many of my customers love when I paint the sides, they do not spend on frames and enjoy the painting in that way. Pat, too, is interested in learning how to make canvas and linen on wood or masonite hard board, I love to paint using that material, and this year that new product may be available, at more than competitive pricing.
The good news, Pat's Sunbelt Manufacturing Company is right here in the good old USA, and when I place and order, it arrives in 2 to 3 days, so I apprecite the attention to details and most of the time I do not carry huge inventories to help keep my costs in control and with their service I can manage my costs better. Their costs are better than the National Art Supply Houses, so that was a plus too, actually a very big surprise.
I would recommend Sunbelt Manufacturing Company, and he can make the special frames in larger sizes and ship to you with no problem. With my time being what it is, I need to paint, so having a very reputable USA canvas supplier has helped me grow my art business. Thanks Pat.

I wish to be able to share canvas information, so this can help others.

Jim Springett-wildlife painter





Donald Fox
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Stretching canvas can be time consuming, but you have quality control from stretcher to canvas to priming. For convenience, it's great to have access to a good discount art supply where you can choose pre-stretched canvases. You have to be mindful of warps, twists, and squareness. I'd trust Jack's recommendation, but I've had problems buying in bulk from some suppliers. Return shipping is a hassle. Good topic.

George DeChiara
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Learning to stretch your own canvas is a great skill to learn even if you go back to buying them pre-stretched. It was one of the very first lessons our teachers taught us in art school. There's one advantage I don't think anyone mentioned, if you don't like the painting you can just remove it from the stretcher bars and stretch a new piece of canvas over them. In school we did this a lot:)



Esther J. Williams
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George, I have done that, back about ten years ago I would take a knife and stab the canvas to take out my madness on the failed painting! Craziness! Then after a few days I would re-use the stretchers. I have calmed down greatly since then, I just cut them up into little tiny pieces. Just kidding! No, I cut them into 4 squares and toss it into the garbage or sand it with an emery cloth and start over.



Abigail
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I found pre-stretched OIL primed canvasses at a great price at FrenchCanvas.com. Consistently great quality, never buckled canvas or warped stretchers. They take quite a while to fulfill orders, but if you plan ahead of time, its really worth it..... You can choose different smoothnesses of canvas and order custom sizes, although there website is not very easy to navigate, it is all there.

Nothing I've found compares to stretching your own, however, as the wonderful article suggests, sometimes the time and resources it takes are too much. I've been house sitting for months and preparing a grad portfolio, so, no stretching for me for awhile.

George DeChiara
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Esther - Yes, nothing like a good canvas stabbing to relieve some frustration. Just be careful what you use, I broke one of my palette knifes doing this. One of the other things we did a lot in school was reverse the canvas so we could get 2 paintings out of one canvas. They were just studies, so we didn't care that both sides of the canvas got painted. We were more interested in saving money back then.



Sari Grove
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It is harder to do and it takes longer and it requires more skill...That is why I like it...Because when you stretch your own you use less trees...Fewer trees...There is a noble appreciation of the tree that happens when you stretch yourself...It makes the art work not just about the surface but about the whole thing from beginning to end...Buying pre-stretched and painting in a hurry devalues the tree...When you stretch yourself you work alot harder at the painting too, because you know how hard it was to get that stretcher done right...Slow is good...Cheap is just cheap...Quality is always quality...

Ann
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I love that thought, Sari! I'll be thinking about slowing down and valuing the process of creating art as I stretch my canvas. I'm glad that you pointed out this very valuable feeling about the painting process.

jack white
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Sari,

Our canvas maker does superior work. With his stretching machines and fine bars he makes a better product than I can. Not only does he save us time but we get quality. We buy the ready made canvases cheaper than we can by the canvas and stretcher bars at wholesale. His company is set up to do thousands a month.
Lower price doesn't always mean cheaply made. Time is also money.
Jack

Sari Grove
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My process involves selecting wood that is sustainable, which can change from year to year...I also will have different edge widths, to suit each work...My linen may also be different weights and textures, often Belgian but I look through fabrics and select...On the back I use a black steel carpet tack that I hammer in...But first when I stretch I use tree nails to temporarily hold the linen taut for a week, then go back when the fabric has gotten used to the pull-then I pull it tighter with my hands...On the sides I use copper tacks, also hand hammered in...They are very pretty to look at...Then at the back, when the work is done, I screw in Best metal corner tighteners, which lay on a diagonal at each corner, and can be adjusted depending on the weather humidity...I use a double screw hole hanger at both sides, and copper wire for look and non-rustability and strength...I prime using a clear non-rabbit skin glue primer and size in several coats...I finish my edges at the end with a coat of oil paint in a complimentary colour, often then coated with an eco-dammar mixed with a metallic oil specific powder for gleam...
So the work of art is the whole thing, not just the surface...It is a path choice, I agree...That is my path...Yours is yours...I just wanted to share so that others would not be biased towards the pre-stretched, when the process of stretching is just so darn fulfilling...Oh and I put a rubber cane protector on the end of my hammer to turn it into a mallet for when I bang the bars together...Each step is so satisfying, I heartily encourage those who have never done it or not done it for a while to go back and feel that process again...Especially women who may shy away from the physicality of the pulling...(I do have a linen grabber now, as the pulling is hard on your hands...) In terms of price, I am more comfortable with charging alot, as I know what went into each work...and I can justify those prices...Also, because of the muscle involved, when I moved into sculpture in 2010, my muscles were able...Sculpture is just so darn heavy...Btw, most pre-stretched stuff uses quite sustainable wood actually, basswood, so there is that point to be made for that choice...

Keith Bond
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Thanks everyone for your comments and adding to the discussion.

Jack,

Thanks for sharing this source. It will be a valuable resource for many. But it isn't for everyone as Sari pointed out.

As for me, I like linen rather than cotton and I prefer oil primed, not acrylic primed.

Most cotton canvas that I have examined can be ripped in two with my bare hands. Good quality linen is almost impossible to rip with just my hands. Linen is stronger and more durable than cotton. There really is a difference in quality between cotton and linen. But each artist must choose for himself whether the increased price is worth paying for the increased quality.

There are very few pre-stretched sources for oil primed linen. It really is more cost effective for me to do my own. I too purchase from wholesale sources to keep costs down.

When it comes to pre-stretched, one can only choose from A, B, or C. When it comes to preparing your own, you can choose from anything from A to Z and beyond. Hundreds of options, really. Sure, some will be more expensive, but some will be less expensive - even at equal or higher quality. If you would choose B out of the hundreds of options anyway, it might make more sense to purchase pre-stretched.

But one thing that also needs to be considered is shipping. Shipping pre-stretched is more costly (and more prone to damage) than shipping the raw materials. Some places offer free shipping if you purchase enough.

One final, thought. I cannot speak for the quality of the source you cited. I have never used them. But I did look at their website and I see cause for concern with the larger sized canvases being stretched on 1 1/2 x 3/4 stretchers. These bars are not sturdy enough for larger canvases. Under the tension, they will bow and warp (even if only slightly) causing movement that may result in cracked paint film in years to come. It also appears from their website that the larger sizes don't come with cross bracing which is necessary to stablize the canvas. It might be 100 years before the damage is visible, but a canvas stretched on insufficient bars will cause problems down the road. This isn't a problem with the smaller sizes.

I guess my point is this, in the short run something may appear to be quality made, but in the long run it isnt. I don't mean to speak poorly about a company that I have no experience with. I am only pointing out what info I could find on their website. Perhaps they really do use larger sized stretchers and cross braces on the larger canvases. I suspect, though that they dont - especially at those prices.

The problem is that so many people are concerned with the immediate savings and the potential problems don't occur for years to come. Therefore there isn't as much demand for heavier duty canvases. The demand is on lower prices.

We live in a world of instant gratification and disposable goods. This is unfortunately also true when it comes to many of the art supplies available. I'm not speaking specifically about the company you cite. I am talking about the industry in general. I am also talking about 75 - 80 percent of the artists as well. Many sacrifice the quality of tomorrow to save a buck today. Most probably don't even realize it. All too often it's simply a lack of knowledge.

When everything has been considered, those canvases will be the right choice for some artists but the wrong choice for others. I am arguing that we should know what we are choosing. An apple is not an orange. If you want an apple, but the orange is cheaper, would you buy the apple or the orange? Many artists can't see the difference between the apple and the orange. If you know the difference and still make the choice, then that is great. I am concerned when people don't know the difference.

I've rambled too long. Sorry.

Sari Grove
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Oh yes...I forgot...I put in the cross bars too...Keith, I was looking through your paintings, and in a certain moment, I realized, I could smell the quality of the air in each scene...I was breathing in that fresh oxygen, Colorado I think...Ramble on brother, ramble on...

Margie Guyot
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Yes, the size of the Texas company's crossbars (1 1/2 x 3/4") was a concern to me, too. The pre-stretched canvases I've been buying (by Paramount) are 1 1/2 x 1 1/2" and I haven't had any problems with warping.

And I'd sooner be spending my time PAINTING, not struggling with trying to stretch canvas! As for shipping costs, order enough and shipping is free. Unless they're over-sized and then your goose is cooked....

Sari
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Yes, of course...I apologize...Struggling would be unseemly for an artist...

jack white
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Keith our company also stretches linen. I don't like linen except when I'm mounting it on Masonite. For high detailed portraits I use linen and archival glue then attach to Masonite. I like the firmness.

Linen sags too much. No matter what grade. Good cotton canvas today will last as long as linen. I'm confident if the old masters had what we do available today they would be using the same product. All they had was wood panels or linen. Their cotton was inferior.

In our case, we don't have time to stretch. I did for years, but with Mikki painting so fast and big canvases, it's better to have that work done so she can have time to paint.

Our company cuts their own stretcher bars out of seasoned lumber. Mikki paint gallery wrap up to 48x60 which is a pain to hand stretch.

I understand why some want to stretch. I also know time is money.
Jack

Jim Springett
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Great discussion, Keith stretching canvas is an art form like painting and is a good skil to know.
Most of the commerical stretched canvas manufactures all use stretcher bars that are 0.75" x 1.5" in sizes up to 30" x 40" and they use natural cotton duck in weights of 7-8 OZ. In sizes that are 28" x 36" brace is used. In Sunbelts manufacturing, when going to the larger sizes he goes to 1.5" x 2.0" stretcher bars and not only uses the stanard brace but corner braces and glues all the joints so there is no movement in shipment. He does do customer work and is glad to work with everyone. His largerst size is dictacted by his standard canvas width of 63", on special orders fo build larger canvas he orders the size to accomodate
I use two very common sizes, 9" x 12" and 11" x 14" for my art gallery on ebay. I sell approximately 100 oringinal, smaller oil paintings a year and I have not had any quality issues with this supplier. The stretcher bars are kiln dried sugar pine.
For most of you artist stretching larger canvas there is nothing wrong with ordering a high quality product from a supplier. I have stretched my fair share of canvas and yes it is a very good experience. I make my own canvas and linen on wood and I love that surface to paint on and have many customers who prefer that to stretched canvas and do not but the stretched canvas. Everyone has a lot of likes. I also developed my own coating that is superior to commercial acrylic only, so I treat all my purchased canvas before painting and I have a superior product when shipping to my customer. For those of you who know Dalhart Windberg's coating technology coating your surface is an art too, and I find that the heart of painting. My Paintings will be here a lot longer than 100 years so, in the light of durability I'm not concerned with my smaller canvas.
Buying stretched canvas is not for everyone just like stretching canvas is not for everyone, each artist learns what is working and stays with. I am recommending this supplier because they make a very good product that is worthy of me painting on and that is important. Happy painting and stretching and buying streched canvas.

Jim Springett-wildlife painter

Sari Grove
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You are all invited to a full course meal, made by me, entirely from scratch...Cost will be $20 dollars a person...My next door neighbour is also doing a dinner at the same time, which she bought from a store...Cost will be $15 dollars...Time is money...

Susan Holland
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Hey, Sari, you and I would be pretty compatible. It's an idealistic concept, and I subscribe to it. But the money is slow to turn up... it takes a LOT of hustle and bustle in the commercial old world to get the art into buyers' hands, doesn't it?

I have a lot of very painstaking art made with raw products that sits awaiting discovery. I need an agent. Then where does the extra five dollars go? :)

Sari Grove
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Well Susan Holland, I was looking to price the owl and the pussycat extravaganza in your Etsy shop, but lo and behold you are sold out there! Then I scanned around your site, with my shopping eyes on, but it seems you are doing well...I believe the proof is in the pudding and I believe someone has eaten all your pudding already(spoken from a Goldilocks porridge stealer who knows)...
Which says to me that your painstaking art made with raw products is so good that you don't really need an agent...Your work really just sells itself...(I have looked hungrily at your site before, but probably the far distance has kept me from buying on impulse...)
When I do really really great work, people find me...It's like they know...The stupid thing is that the better the work is the more likely I am to want to hold onto it...But my instinct is that the market is still drudge right now, and if I hold onto my expensive pieces, I will do better selling later rather than now... The other thing is they are building a Women's Art Museum in Canada and maybe I am going to save some of the biggies for them...
* I think people are too involved in seeking agents...It seems like a constant How-To book online about this...Be great and the work sells...People will just give you money in your hand, you give them the work of art...Extra 5 dollars goes in your pocket...I think it is simpler than it looks...When you have an agent, you have to produce twice as much, you lose the skim, you get angry, you spend your time with contracts and paranoia and you have to bed down with 40 other hungry ones...It is overrated...
I think the past 10 years have been a bust for everyone, except maybe the arms dealers...It will get better...Nothing wrong with you that a better economy can't fix...

Susan Holland
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Sari, you made my day. How good some strokes are when they come from an enthusiastic stroker!
Kind of like the art that sits there being good, huh? It strokes ya.

Inspiring things you say, and very true...it's just that the moments like "People will just give you money in your hand, you give them the work of art.."..those moments come too few and far between in this economy. One gets poor!

It's nice to know someone got hooked on my Pea Green Boat. I am still thinking about the Owl and the Pussycat. Leather scraps? Or maybe
"felted " wood sculptures with color. I have drawings started.

The schemes for marketing are not my forte. Possibly I suffer from laziness, but more likely old age. I would like to find some nice patron who would leave me alone and send in Chinese or Pizza now and then.

You are fun! Thanks.

Sari Grove
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http://www.accessgambia.com/information/arts-and-crafts.html 1)Here is a link to Arts and crafts in Gambia...(Susan luv)...They dye fabrics, make woven basketware, make bowls and such from squash, carve wood, use glass beads, do clay work and just are pretty much very artistic crafty people...I think your owl and pussycat could be done out of maybe a squash or zucchini you have lying around...(Instead of leather or felt)...or maybe in a beaded dyed fabric...or both...Possibly you could weave them...This might involve learning a new material or two...But I know you are a struggler and a fixer upper, plus it will be fun! 2)Your marketing is fine...You suffer neither from laziness nor old age...really...Ain't nothin' wrong with your marketing...Your site is a plethora of fun and cool stuff that will take me months to explore...Complex...Not like the still spare minimalism of the MFA grads who I can scan through in a minute...Yours is a testament to experience and skill...(everyone else has ADD is why you are told otherwise) 3)Pay the extra 3 dollars for a delivery guy to bring you pizza and Chinese...Or purchase a husband like I did...Mine delivers...(but they are expensive)...I think you can get a boyfriend for less, if you don't already have one... 4)Maurice Sendak has a new book called Bumble-Ardy...Perhaps you will be inspired by his work in your own... 5)Thanks for the good karma back...Me too needs that alot...It cold here in so many ways...Sari

Susan Holland
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Maybe I should purchase Maurice Sendak! I already love him. :) Thanks, Sari.

More than canvas stretching here...email me at silkpurseproducts@gmail.com to get this "off topic" stuff separate from the forum. Such fun.

Susan

Sari Grove
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I was going to do that(send private email), but decided to post here because you are such a great example of someone who does things the hard way...I think stretching canvas is one of those things, and your approach or philosophy to how you reclaim and repair and start from scratch instead of buying already made items is such a good teaching study...

Susan Holland
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What a wonderful thing to hear on a dismally wet day in the middle of winter! Thank you very much, Sari, and may our earnest efforts find resonance among other kindred spirits!

Kerry
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I learned to make canvas-covered panels (sometimes called, apparently, "box frames") in art school, and have always liked the hard resilient surface for what I do - LOTS of sanding, scraping, and pressure on the surface.

Making these myself is much, much less than buying pre-made. However, if I were to sell more work, my time would start to become worth enough to have someone else do all that carpentry, etc. (much as I like to dink around with tools). Hopefully I won't have to face the 'hand pain' issue to make a decision.

jack white
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Kerry
We have used Sunbelt Mfg for over thirty years and four different owners. Great service and below wholesale prices.

They make can the deep cradle canvas for about what you pay for your materials. They do canvas for Michael, Hobby Lobby and other big companies.

Speak to Pat Conner the new owner. He managed the business for 20 years and took ownership two or three years ago. 800.333.8412

You have to buy a box of a size. jack

jack white
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Jimmy Springett,

You seemed to have left out one important factor about your canvas finish. Who really taught you how to treat your canvas. Who spent hours trying to teach you to get the correct tooth to the surface?

Jack










 

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