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Artist Etiquette: The Workshop Environment

by Lori Woodward on 7/28/2010 9:27:00 AM

Today's Post is by Lori Woodward, Regular contributing writer for FineArtViews. She is also a contributing editor for American Artist's Watercolor and Workshop magazines and she writes "The Artist's Life" blog on American Artists' Forum. Lori is a member of The Putney Painters, an invitational group that paints under the direction of Richard Schmid and Nancy Guzik.  Find out how you can be a guest author. 


Recently, I've attended a number of artist workshops as a writer or else as a participant. Sometimes I'm the instructor and see the teaching process from that perspective. I'm writing this post because there are always one or two artists in any workshop group who say and do things that irritate the teacher and other students, but they have no idea that their actions may be causing problems for others.

I have been guilty of almost everything I'm about to suggest that artists avoid. When I began teaching workshops and observed these things from an instructor's perspective, I realized just how obnoxious I was being as a former student. The worst thing I remember doing: I actually suggested that the workshop instructor remove a shrub from his painting demonstration. I thought I sounded so intelligent, but in reality I was acting like a bothersome fool, and not giving the workshop instructor the credit and respect he deserved.

When artists pay big money to attend the workshop of a masterful painter, the last thing they want is for any of the other students to spout off what they know, challenge the teacher, or even give the other students unsolicited critiques or instruction. When artists attend group events, workshops or another artist's gallery opening, it's best to leave egos at the door.

Here's a list of behaviors that you might want to eliminate or avoid next time you attend a workshop.

1. It's OK to ask legitimate questions during teacher demonstrations or lectures, but avoid making statements just to show the rest of the group how much you know. Sure, I know it's fun to impress everyone, but if it's done too often, it usually just irritates the other students. They came to learn from the person they're paying. There's a good chance that the teacher might disagree with what you are about to say, and then that teacher has to take the time to explain why he or she disagrees.

2. Avoid comparing the current teacher's methods to other workshop instructors'.  Artists develop their own approach and method over time, and while some will tell you that their way is "the only way", that just isn't true. It's best to listen and follow the current instructors advice and procedures for the course of the workshop, and then take or leave whatever makes sense for your work.

3. Never give advice or critique to the other students without their expressed permission. Sure, you might be able to help that person, but giving unsolicited advice makes you appear like you think you know more than your peers. Even if you do know more than the other students, it's best to let them learn on their own and let the instructor be the sole instructor. Self-proclaimed assistants often give advice that is contrary with what the instructor would teach.

As a side note, because I'm a Putney Painter - and therefore somewhat of a celebrity in Putney, VT, the occasion has come up where a student in another teacher's workshop would ask me for a critique. I did it once, but now I say that it's not right for me to take that position in another teacher's workshop - unless the instructor has explicitly asked me to help the other students.. which in one case recently the instructor asked me to assist him.

4. Don't speak too often. A couple of times when I was teaching, one student would comment - or add information to every statement I made. Even though it might have been useful information, it slowed me down and got my mind off track. No one wants to hear from any one student very often. It ends up being disruptive to the educational flow.

5. Avoid arguing with the teacher. Even if you learned something an entirely different way, or if you think your instructor is mistaken, it's best to stay quiet while in the group. If you must correct the teacher, do it later - one on one.

Essentially, you're there to listen, learn and make art... not to impress anyone. Sure if you're a great painter, you'll impress the others while painting, but remember that everyone starts out as a beginner- and it's in good taste to respect each participant's level of understanding. If you get a compliment, you only need say "Thank you very much". You don't need to follow it with a dissertation of everything you know that got you there.

Give honor to the instructor at all times. Ask pertinent questions that you really want and need answers to. Take whatever is useful to your work, and if you learn just one thing that you didn't know before you attended, then it is worth the price of admission.


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Phyllis OShields Fine Art
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This is a wonderful collection of advise.
I teach life drawing, contour and gesture drawing for many years and I have had this occurrence in each workshop.
A good idea would be to provide a sheet such as this in the prospectus of the class ahead of time for each student, perhaps written a little different in person as a request for positive meaningful participation. It is so hurtful when one or two students take away the attention from the students who are really concentrating and learning.
I will submit a copy of this to you before using and give you credit for the writing. Thank you Phyllis O'Shields

Helen Horn Musser
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Hi Lori, You've given us much to think about and I will remember this next workshop.

Sue Martin
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Lori, these are all great suggestions. I think I've been most fortunate to take workshops with "well-behaved" participants! I would add one thing: When participating in group critiques, remember that everyone is at a different place on the learning curve and finished, ready-to-frame work is not necessarily the expected outcome. Meet people where they are and find something positive to say. Even the most experienced artists may seem to struggle with new techniques in a workshop.

Marc Hanson
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Lori this is "just right" as Goldilocks would have said!!! Thanks for writing this as it is an issue that anyone who teaches has to deal with in a way that is sensitive to the individual and the group as a whole.

However, students owe their instructors and the class the respect that one would expect adults to give to each other at any other time. It doesn't always work that way and that can make the class dynamics and the participants ability to focus on learning from their instructors difficult at times.

Thank you for such a well written essay on a very important and pertinent subject for anyone who teaches or takes a workshop from another.

Marc Hanson

Tom Weinkle
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Great advice Lori.

Sometimes attendees get carried away with the energy, trying to make a “connection” with the instructor, or trying to uncover the shortcut to 50 years of hard work.

It's happened at every workshop i've ever been to...for art or not.

Lori Woodward
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Thanks Marc! BTW: did you actually enter your comment 3 times?

Marc Hanson
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Sorry about that! ;-0 I don't know what happened. A message came up saying 'sorry we weren't able to save your comment' so yes, I hit the button a couple more times (embarrassed:)

Only punching the button once this time...

Rod Lamkey
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Amen, Lori!
I was fortunate to study at a school where it was understood that ONLY the teachers give instruction. (This, by the way, went without saying.)
That spoiled me. I used to worry what people thought. No more. In my studio I strongly, adamantly, discourage unsolicited advice and 'thinking out loud'. Nothing is more boring than a person who 'thinks out loud'. 99 percent of the time silence is golden.

Rod Lamkey
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Amen, Lori!
I was fortunate to study at a school where it was understood that ONLY the teachers give instruction. (This, by the way, went without saying.)
That spoiled me. I used to worry what people thought. No more. In my studio I strongly, adamantly, discourage unsolicited advice and 'thinking out loud'. Nothing is more boring than a person who 'thinks out loud'. 99 percent of the time silence is golden.

Lori Woodward
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Not your fault Marc! I alerted the software team and the extra ones have been deleted.

BTW: your work is just so absolutely beautiful Marc! I'm glad to hear that you're teaching.

Claudette Barker
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Great advice, Lori. I've seen your examples from both perspectives; as a student and as a workshop instructor. I'm sure in the past I have been guilty of saying too much while taking a workshop. And, as an instructor, I know how disruptive that can be.
Good information for all of us! Thanks!
Claudette

Claudette Barker
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Great advice, Lori. I've seen your examples from both perspectives; as a student and as a workshop instructor. I'm sure in the past I have been guilty of saying too much while taking a workshop. And, as an instructor, I know how disruptive that can be.
Good information for all of us! Thanks!
Claudette

Claudette Barker
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Great advice, Lori. I've seen your examples from both perspectives; as a student and as a workshop instructor. I'm sure in the past I have been guilty of saying too much while taking a workshop. And, as an instructor, I know how disruptive that can be.
Good information for all of us! Thanks!
Claudette

Lori Woodward
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Don't have to hit comment twice... even though it's asking you to. Clint will address this later today. Just refresh your screen, and you'll see your comment embedded in the conversation.

Even if you see your comment written out again after it's embedded, ignore the temptation to hit the comment box again...

Thanks! Perhaps on a further note, there should be a workshop code of ethics - just so people are aware when they're crossing the line. Many of us are so unaware of how we're affecting the others.
I think if we were made aware, we would speak more carefully.

Peggy Guichu
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This is all very helpful, but I had another situation happen to me at a workshop.

I went to a workshop in the hopes of picking up anything. No expectations. Just wanted to have fun and listen. I just did my thing, but noticed a negative attitude from the instructor. She would walk behind me while I worked and say nothing, but she always gave advice to the other students. At the end of the first day the instructor came to me while everyone was still set up and said that I was clearly too advanced for her workshop, then turned to the rest of the class and told them all that they should ask me questions. This really upset me. I didn't come to teach. I came in the hope that I would pick up a new technique or two and just enjoy being there.
I tried to be polite, but I was very embarrassed. It was not my intention to one up my instructor at all.

By the next day the class had taken on the instructor's negative attitude toward me and the class was no longer fun so I quietly left at the end of the second day.

So please on your next post list what instructor's should do or not do to their workshop students.


Peggy Guichu
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This is all very helpful, but I had another situation happen to me at a workshop.

I went to a workshop in the hopes of learning a different technique than the one I had always used myself. No expectations. Just wanted to have fun and listen. I just did my thing, listened to her instructions and the questions being asked and did my best to apply this new knowledge to work we were all instructed to do. After the instructor made several rounds and gave little tips and encouragements to the other students I realized that she would stop behind me, but say nothing at all. At the end of the first day the instructor came to me while everyone was still set up and said that I was clearly too advanced for her workshop, then turned to the rest of the class and told them all that they should ask me questions and she was not smiling. This really upset me. I didn't come to teach. I came in the hope that I would pick up a new technique or two and just enjoy being there. I tried to be polite, but I was very embarrassed.

The next day I arrived anxious to get to work, but the damage had already been done. I felt like I had stepped back in time and was being shunned by the popular kids in school:) They were all openly angry at me and I was ignored for the rest of the day. I quietly left at the end of the second day and didn't return for the third and last day of the workshop.

So please on your next post list what instructor's should do or not do to their workshop students.

This was an opened class offered to all levels of artists. It was not my intention to upstage the instructor at all.


Peggy Guichu
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This is all very helpful, but I had another situation happen to me at a workshop.

I went to a workshop in the hopes of learning a different technique than the one I had always used myself. No expectations. Just wanted to have fun and listen. I just did my thing, listened to her instructions and the questions being asked and did my best to apply this new knowledge to work we were all instructed to do. After the instructor made several rounds and gave little tips and encouragements to the other students I realized that she would stop behind me, but say nothing at all. At the end of the first day the instructor came to me while everyone was still set up and said that I was clearly too advanced for her workshop, then turned to the rest of the class and told them all that they should ask me questions and she was not smiling. This really upset me. I didn't come to teach. I came in the hope that I would pick up a new technique or two and just enjoy being there. I tried to be polite, but I was very embarrassed.

The next day I arrived anxious to get to work, but the damage had already been done. I felt like I had stepped back in time and was being shunned by the popular kids in school:) They were all openly angry at me and I was ignored for the rest of the day. I quietly left at the end of the second day and didn't return for the third and last day of the workshop.

So please on your next post list what instructor's should do or not do to their workshop students.

This was an opened class offered to all levels of artists. It was not my intention to upstage the instructor at all.


Peggy Guichu
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This is all very helpful, but I had another situation happen to me at a workshop.

I went to a workshop in the hopes of learning a different technique than the one I had always used myself. No expectations. Just wanted to have fun and listen. I just did my thing, listened to her instructions and the questions being asked and did my best to apply this new knowledge to work we were all instructed to do. After the instructor made several rounds and gave little tips and encouragements to the other students I realized that she would stop behind me, but say nothing at all. At the end of the first day the instructor came to me while everyone was still set up and said that I was clearly too advanced for her workshop, then turned to the rest of the class and told them all that they should ask me questions and she was not smiling. This really upset me. I didn't come to teach. I came in the hope that I would pick up a new technique or two and just enjoy being there. I tried to be polite, but I was very embarrassed.

The next day I arrived anxious to get to work, but the damage had already been done. I felt like I had stepped back in time and was being shunned by the popular kids in school:) They were all openly angry at me and I was ignored for the rest of the day. I quietly left at the end of the second day and didn't return for the third and last day of the workshop.

So please on your next post list what instructor's should do or not do to their workshop students.

This was an opened class offered to all levels of artists. It was not my intention to upstage the instructor at all.


Peggy Guichu
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This is all very helpful, but I had another situation happen to me at a workshop.

I went to a workshop in the hopes of learning a different technique than the one I had always used myself. No expectations. Just wanted to have fun and listen. I just did my thing, listened to her instructions and the questions being asked and did my best to apply this new knowledge to work we were all instructed to do. After the instructor made several rounds and gave little tips and encouragements to the other students I realized that she would stop behind me, but say nothing at all. At the end of the first day the instructor came to me while everyone was still set up and said that I was clearly too advanced for her workshop, then turned to the rest of the class and told them all that they should ask me questions and she was not smiling. This really upset me. I didn't come to teach. I came in the hope that I would pick up a new technique or two and just enjoy being there. I tried to be polite, but I was very embarrassed.

The next day I arrived anxious to get to work, but the damage had already been done. I felt like I had stepped back in time and was being shunned by the popular kids in school:) They were all openly angry at me and I was ignored for the rest of the day. I quietly left at the end of the second day and didn't return for the third and last day of the workshop.

So please on your next post list what instructor's should do or not do to their workshop students.

This was an opened class offered to all levels of artists. It was not my intention to upstage the instructor at all.


Peggy Guichu
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This is all very helpful, but I had another situation happen to me at a workshop.

I went to a workshop in the hopes of learning a different technique than the one I had always used myself. No expectations. Just wanted to have fun and listen. I just did my thing, listened to her instructions and the questions being asked and did my best to apply this new knowledge to work we were all instructed to do. After the instructor made several rounds and gave little tips and encouragements to the other students I realized that she would stop behind me, but say nothing at all. At the end of the first day the instructor came to me while everyone was still set up and said that I was clearly too advanced for her workshop, then turned to the rest of the class and told them all that they should ask me questions and she was not smiling. This really upset me. I didn't come to teach. I came in the hope that I would pick up a new technique or two and just enjoy being there. I tried to be polite, but I was very embarrassed.

The next day I arrived anxious to get to work, but the damage had already been done. I felt like I had stepped back in time and was being shunned by the popular kids in school:) They were all openly angry at me and I was ignored for the rest of the day. I quietly left at the end of the second day and didn't return for the third and last day of the workshop.

So please on your next post list what instructor's should do or not do to their workshop students.

This was an opened class offered to all levels of artists. It was not my intention to upstage the instructor at all.


Peggy Guichu
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I'm sorry about that, but it wouldn't accept my comment so I just kept trying.

Judy Mudd
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As a person who attended many workshops and getting ready to give my first one, you are right on all counts. Thanks for your insight from a teacher's point of view!

Lori Woodward
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Peggy, your comment has been published, no need to hit comment again... until Clint gets back to the office to take a look at this.

Yeah, not all instructors are diplimatic or even good teachers. I'd get references from other students before taking any workshop. It's up to the teacher to explain what level of students he or she expects to attend. Sometimes this is impossible if a school is handling the setup.

Lori Woodward
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Yeah Peggy, not your fault... it'll get fixed later. Thanks for your comment!! Good suggestion.

Terry Jarrard-Dimond
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Great advice. I received a call recently from a very experienced workshop instructor who was totally baffled and distressed over the rude, disruptive behavior of a class participant. After a lengthy discussion we decided that the best thing to do was avoid this woman as much as possible(teacher had already tried to meet demands of student) to avoid further outburst. After two days the offending student left the event. What this lady doesn't realize is how her bad behavior impacts how others might want to interact with her in the future. Who would want to invite you to be in a show or lecture or conduct a workshop yourself, no matter how talented you may be, when they have seen you be such a negative influence in a group?

Terry Jarrard-Dimond
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Great advice. I received a call recently from a very experienced workshop instructor who was totally baffled and distressed over the rude, disruptive behavior of a class participant. After a lengthy discussion we decided that the best thing to do was avoid this woman as much as possible(teacher had already tried to meet demands of student) to avoid further outburst. After two days the offending student left the event. What this lady doesn't realize is how her bad behavior impacts how others might want to interact with her in the future. Who would want to invite you to be in a show or lecture or conduct a workshop yourself, no matter how talented you may be, when they have seen you be such a negative influence in a group?

Marilyn Gilis
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I haven't had those issues in a workshop. The teachers were usually the difficult ones. One teacher was so bad that no one would take another class from her.

Jane Whittlesey
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eeeeek! I've done all of these things! Thanks for the heads up on my bad behavior.

Michelle McSpadden
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WOW...great post Lori and I really like the feedback too.

I have experienced this before at workshops and artist group meetings, and I wondered if it was just pride surfacing in the participants who think they need to add their 2 cents at every pause during the presentation of the leader. ???

Lori Woodward
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It's impossible to reach art teachers to advise them on how to teach. Maybe I'll write a blog at some point describing some of my favorite teachers. It's really up to us artists to find out how good an instructor is before we sign up. Unfortunately, there aren't many ways to find that out. There are no reviews on Amazon or anywhere else, and of course, no one wants to necessarily hurt an instructor's career - it can turn into a hurtful gossip session. That would be like me naming the students here whom I've observed doing the wrong things.

Perhaps there should be a place onine to share who our favorite teachers are, and why. Sounds like a good entry for Canvoo Buzz.


Sonya Conti
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shifting and uncomfortable as read this. Reflecting on the last workshop was in; see couple of these elements in my own actions. Trust me; next workshop will be there to listen and learn. Good article Lori

Grace McKee
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Lori, I was so pleased to read your article. Students who show off are a real nuisance, a distraction to the instructor and the other students who attend expressly to learn from that particular instructor. I do have to say though, sometimes teachers ask for comments from students during a critiquing session, which the know-it-all uses to his/her advantage. So perhaps this invitation should specifically be for one comment from each student, not a monologue from one person. Thanks once again. Grace.

Helen Horn Musser
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Clint, Lori is
giving us much needed information

Helen Horn Musser
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did not take my comment but, it is there with you

Lori Woodward
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Helen, Clint is working on fixing the multiple comment entries, so he's just testing the system. We can resume the conversation.

Thanks for your input!
Lori


Michael Cardosa
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Lori,

Thanks for another good posting. I think what you said here is very important because we have to be considerate of the other people in the group. It's not just about ourselves when we are in this situation.

That said, I would also like to point out an issue I see from the other side of the easel if you will. I will first say that I did not attend the workshop I'm referring to here. I had a number of friends who did and it was with a nationally known artist. The artist not only was aloof during the workshop, he actually reduced one of the participants to tears by his critique of her and her work. It was just uncalled for...

Workshops come in all kinds of sizes and costs. Many can be pretty substantial investments for the participants who are coming to learn something, but also to enjoy the experience. I think the artist did as much to disrupt the flow and enjoyment of the workshop from that point as any annoying student might have. Consideration and respect is a two way street and whenever this artist's name is now mentioned, I still see a number of frowns on some faces. I don't think they'll be collecting his works or attending another workshop any time soon but I bet they would be willing to mention their experience to whomever might be contemplating doing so.

Michael



Clint
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OK everyone, sorry about the issues - I think we've got the comment system corrected and working properly now - the "problem" was such a great active community! The sheer volume of comments overwhelmed the system. SO now, there is a slight change.

When you submit a comment it will be immediately accepted, which will speed that part up a lot. Then the emails will be sent on the back end. So there could be up to a max five minute delay until the emails about the comments are sent.

Hope you'll bear with us as we perfect it as there *could* be a few glitches but should be perfected over the rest of this week.

In the meantime, be sure to keep checking the blog post itself if you feel like the comments aren't getting to you by email.

Thank you all.

Clint
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Oh one more thing for those of you who had duplicate comments - we removed the duplicates.

Mary Pickett
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My comment applies to workshops as well as group painting lessons. I have heard students who constantly berate themselves and their skills verbally to the group. Sometimes it seems they spend most of their energy expressing negative views of their own work. In my mind, self-deprecation doesn't lend itself to the workshop setting. It makes me nervous, and I have enough of a challenge keeping positive about my work as it is without having those voices externalized in the middle of a workshop. I've learned much in this discussion. Thanks.

Tom Weinkle
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5 minutes to see our comment? That's just so slow! (hah)

Thanks for creating this whole tool in the first place. It's very educational.

tom

Karen
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I attended a plein air workshop recently with a great teacher and observed another kind of faux pas by a few fellow students who happened to be novice outdoor painters. On one occasion when I was blocking in my drawing (under changing light conditions) a student came up and wanted to start asking me questions about my easel and how I liked it. I politely told her that I could tell her more later on the lunch break but not at that moment. She didn't seem to "get" that there was an urgency to get a painting done to maximize the day's lesson. I realized that some people take workshops just as a vacation/diversion/fun thing to do, and aren't particularly intent upon learning as much as they can in that limited time frame. It happened again to me on another day with a different classmate who wanted to chat about brands of paint I liked (or some such topic) while I was in the act of painting the scene for the morning lesson. Sheesh.

Gwen Ontiveros
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The information you prsented should not even be necessary, however, reminders are so very helpful. Kindness, consideration and good manners are gentle paths that accommodate each other when we endeavor together for common goals.

Gwen Ontiveros
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Comment to Mary Picket...you just verbalized a thought that nudges me and that is to always remain positive about all my efforts and non-judgmental about everything. It became a concrete thought. Thank you.

Gwen Ontiveros
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Mary, apology for losing the 'T" in your name.

Marsha Clements
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You have such good suggestions. I wish workshop organizers would give this to everyone who attends their workshops. I served as the executive director of Amarillo Art Institute and we had people that did all of these things. And I too have been guilty, but these are wonderful suggestions and I'm going to suggest they be included in AAI's student information if that is okay with you. Do we have your permission to use this blog? It's always better to come from someone else!

Judy Klich
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Lori - loved your article. I am a new instructor and would love for you to write an article for instructors on how to handle these situations. I find artists are usually not shy and very outgoing and are always upstaging me. I try to ugnore them but see the other students being bothered and don't know how to handle the situation. It has happened in almost all of my workshops. All suggestions would be greatly appreciated! thanks!

Clint
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Tom - sorry - had to go yesterday after my last post - it's not five minutes to SEE the comment - (that's immediate) - it's five minutes (MAX - could be less) for everyone else on the thread to receive an email alerting them than someone else made a comment. The emails send every five minutes - so it really should read "UP to five minutes" as it might only be a few seconds if a comment is made close to a sending point.

Gail
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Lori, Fabulous article! However, there is one thing you failed to mention....

The Scene:

A plein air workshop... we are supposed to be ready at 9 AM to leave for our location. Everything is ready except for one student who has not arrived yet, she is being dropped off... she has to ride with someone else in the group. She finally shows up over 1/2 hour late but still has to pull her stuff together. There is no apology or excuse and this is her typical behavior.

Being late is extremely rude and takes time away from everyone else in the class. It also creates animosity from the other students. Please students, always be early!

Tom Weinkle
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Clint, I think you know i was just teasing. Right? (stabbed by my own pitard) With all the technology, the seconds seem like minutes, and minutes like hours....it used to be that waiting a few days to get a response in mail was great....now the 45 seconds it takes for your phone to boot is an eternity....wow what a world we live in.

I am very impressed with the system you've given us access to. And it has been a great help to my pursuits.

tom

Kim
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Actually, these annoying behaviors are common to a variety of academic settings, not just art workshops! As I read the list above, I was reminded of bothersome students in some of my university (non-art) classes, as well as a recent web design workshop I took. For me the most irritating thing was to have a student who constantly had to be asking questions that were not really pertinent, taking time away from the instructor providing the material that was important. In one class we got so behind in the material because of one student's behavior that the instructor had to leave some things out of the final exam. It seems the instructor has to take control of the class back from the disruptive student and redirect the discussion to what he or she wants to cover.

Sue Martin
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As a long-time trainer (though not art), I can imagine some of the following interventions for talkative students: "I appreciate your comments but I want you to have the maximum time to do your own painting, so let's move on..." Or, "To make most effective use of our time, I'm going to ask each artist to say one or two things they like about their painting; then I'll make a comment or two and we'll move on to the next artist..."

Sometimes the talkative, know-it-all, just craves special attention. You might give them that attention at a break or sit with them at lunch. Once rapport is established, you might say, "I wonder if I could ask you to keep your comments very brief; that would really help me get around to all the students and maximize their painting time..."

I'd be interested to know if you instructors think these suggestions are helpful/realistic in your situations.

Marsha Clements
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Kim and Sue--you are both soooo right! I have been an educational consultant and teacher for years and it's true. It really is up to the teacher/instructor to keep control, but some of these behaviors happen in an outdoor setting--an artist will continually disrupt another artist to just visit. I think Sue's comments are great, but you really need to set expectations from the start--saying something like "Many artists like to work in solitude and quiet, so it is very important that we minimize talking so everyone will get the most from the workshop." I have also heard an artist instructor say at the beginning that talking disturbs him/her. That will help. Just like in a classroom when you set those expectations from the start, you will be more likely to get good results because everyone knows what is expected. I think giving the rules for etiquette with the classroom instructions for materials, etc. is not a bad idea. It gives it to everyone and then it's not the instructor being curt or unfriendly. Sometimes people are just trying to help and just don't realize that it is not helpful!

Sue Martin
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Marsha and all, great idea to set expectations up front. When I facilitate meetings or conduct training, I use a list of "ground rules." When I introduce them, I ask if anyone has something they'd like to add, and ask if there's anything on the list that bothers anyone. This may seem a bit formal for an art workshop, but given all the comments I've read here, I think it would be worth a try. Especially if one of the rules is "Be on time or be left behind."

Sharon Weaver
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It can't be easy to teach. When I enter a workshop I try to leave all my preconceived ideas at the door. I want to just be a sponge and absorb the class. Everyone can learn something new if they open their mind to the possibility.

Carole Rodrigue
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What a great article Lori,and a keeper! I'm adding this one to my favorites and I'll be sure to remember it whenever I attend a workshop, or give one!

Donna Robillard
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All you had to say was very good. It would be great if everyone could read these comments. I personally am not a very talkative person while I am working in a workshop, so it can be distracting if someone is there who comments too much! Sometimes they can be tuned out, however.

Marian Fortunati
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Always good advice, Lori. I imagine we've all been in workshops with people doing the things you've advised against... as well as those that are in the comments..... and you're right.. we should all try to avoid doing these things ourselves.

Another annoying "type" is the person who insists in standing in front of everyone to see the instructor or get the "best" scene. It's like they are oblivious of all of the other students' needs.

Having taught both children and adults when the person who made the comment about these types of behaviors being common even in university classes, I thought to myself... you're right!!! I think it's a reflection of various human personalities and traits...

Another good reason to set these reminders out early in a workshop... Of course some students don't seem themselves as doing anything annoying... ever.... LOL

judy haupin
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if you do a suggestions for instructors, I'd also suggest the following: I've attended classes of 2 different well known polymer clay instructors who pick out a "pet " for each class, spend an inordinate amount of time with her, ignoring the other 25 students in the class. If a student is struggling with a technique, spend time with him/her to get him/her back on track. ignoring him-her may make them "go away" and leave you alone with your pet, but I can guarantee that the snubbed student will 1) never sign up for a class with you again; 2) tell anyone who asks how badly you behave and 3) might just ask for their money back.

max hulse
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Lori A very instructive commentary and
right on target.

I too have experienced the student "helping"
the teacher in a class. I paid to learn what
the teacher knows and not another student

Good advice!

Max Hulse

Lawrence Chambers
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Having recently taken a workshop/demonstration myself for the first time, I found your advice very useful and will take on board your comments.

Regards

Lawrence Chambers










 

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